From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 15 07:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B3F16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231EE43D41 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:27:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from [192.168.100.1] (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F15F35760; Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:27:10 +0100 (CET) From: Miguel Mendez To: Robert Blacquiere In-Reply-To: <20040315125825.GJ52357@bombur.guldan.demon.nl> References: <20040315134745.1eb201f4.manlix@demonized.net> <20040315125825.GJ52357@bombur.guldan.demon.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-pZNBL5pgdkgSl/gLM4oc" Message-Id: <1079364427.78079.5.camel@scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:27:08 +0100 cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pkg-based base system. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:27:15 -0000 --=-pZNBL5pgdkgSl/gLM4oc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 13:58, Robert Blacquiere wrote: Hi, > /me smells linux based distros...=20 >=20 > I would not like that. It is now a complete system all acts like it shoul= d. > If you take it appart you will see thing breaking and getting a mess like= =20 > i won't say it.=20 >=20 > if you remove ipfw of ipf from user space why should you also have it in = kernel space? > then you get the next level of removal in to pkg...=20 Hmm, I don't see it that way. It's not that different from what we have now when you build world with some options in your /etc/make.conf to prevent the build of e.g. bind, sendmail etc. I don't think having extremely fine granularity would be good, but some subsystems could be made into packages. Let's say 'base' with minimal stuff to get the system up, 'devel', which would include gcc and friends, sendmail, bind and others look good candidates for this. ipf[w] should always be in base, since they rely on being in sync with kernel, like other basic tools and libc. It's different from Linux distros where upgrading glibc to release du jour will break half of the installed software. Just my 2 cents. --=20 Miguel Mendez http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 --=-pZNBL5pgdkgSl/gLM4oc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAVctLnLctrNyFFPERAqjzAJ9w+VT/7G+RH45ZVBxTnQxONvgm5ACgwTIh rcLBT8OJXuyz0KJpmosO2VQ= =loSq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-pZNBL5pgdkgSl/gLM4oc--