Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:01:53 +0700 From: Erich <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Chris Rees <crees@freebsd.org>, "freebs >> Current FreeBSD" <freebsd-current@freebsd.org>, "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>, Adam Strohl <adams-freebsd@ateamsystems.com> Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD? Message-ID: <1770384.tpUCLYYuDz@x220.ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <CADLo83_KXNo2e983ZdOEj=x7izaE=b5PaWeq_xjGuDsvCHOWMQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <C480320C-0CD9-4B61-8AFB-37085C820AB7@FreeBSD.org> <4FCBCF49.1010206@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <CADLo83_KXNo2e983ZdOEj=x7izaE=b5PaWeq_xjGuDsvCHOWMQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 04 June 2012 16:24:56 Chris Rees wrote: > On 3 June 2012 21:55, O. Hartmann <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > > On 06/03/12 15:29, Erich wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 03 June 2012 PM 5:14:10 Adam Strohl wrote: > >>> On 6/3/2012 11:14, Erich wrote: > >>>> What I really do not understand in this whole discussion is very simple. Is it just a few people who run into problems like this or is this simply ignored by the people who set the strategy for FreeBSD? > >>>> > >>>> I mention since yeares here that putting version numbers onto the port tree would solve many of these problems. All I get as an answer is that it is not possible. > >>>> > >>>> I think that this should be easily possible with the limitation that older versions do not have security fixes. Yes, but of what help is a security fix if there is no running port for the fix? > >>> > >>> I feel like I'm missing something. Why would you ever want to go back > >>> to an old version of the ports tree? You're ignoring tons of security > >>> issues! > > > > ... I think the PNG update isn't a security issue. And for not being a > > security issue, it triggered an inadequate mess! > > > >>> > >>> And if a port build is broken then the maintainer needs to fix it, that > >>> is the solution. > > > > Look at the comment of the maintainer of LibreOffice ... > >>> > >>> I must be missing something else here, it just seems like the underlying > >>> "need" for this is misguided (and dangerous from a security perspective). > >> > >> yes, you miss a very simple thing. Updated this morning your ports tree. Your client asks for something for Monday morning for which you need now a program which needs some kind of PNG but you did not install it. > > > > ... I spent now two complete days watching my boxes updating their > > ports. Several ports do not compile anymore (inkscape, libreoffice, > > libxul, to name some of the very hurting ones!). > > > >> > >> Do you have a machine that is fast enough to upgrade all your ports and still finish what your client needs Monday morning? > > > > Even my fastest box, a brand new 6 core Sandy-Bridge-E, wasn't capable > > of compiling all the ports in due time. Several ports requested > > attendance, several, as mentioned, didn't compile out of the blue. > > > >> > >> The ports tree is not broken as such. Only the installation gets broken in some sense. Have a version number there would allow people to go back to the last known working ports tree, install the software - or whatever has to be done - with a working system. > >> > >> Of course, the next step will be an upgrade. But only after the work which brings in the money is done. > >> > >> You do not face this problem on Windows. You can run a 10 year old 'kernel' and still install modern software. > >> > >> Erich > > > > I like having a very modern system with the most recent software. But in > > some cases, like these days with the PNG, FreeBSD's ports becomes again > > a problem. There is no convenient way to downgrade or allow the > > user/admin managing how to deal with the load of updates. > > You can't have both. As has been repeatedly explained to you, you > should not expect an easy life with the very latest of software. > but FreeBSD only offer bleeding edge. This is why I suggest to have version numbers on the ports tree. Erich
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