Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:10:36 +0200 From: Alexander Yerenkow <yerenkow@gmail.com> To: Alexander Yerenkow <yerenkow@gmail.com>, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com>, ports@freebsd.org, Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com>, Shane Ambler <FreeBSD@shaneware.biz>, Radim Kolar <hsn@filez.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD ports you maintain which are out of date Message-ID: <CAPJF9wmoG9gLbiH40gbEesz8L%2BbwW=tP7ftWwsQxTNbXWybrdw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20121129092433.GA5519@straylight.m.ringlet.net> References: <201211271554.qARFs9un067018@null.zi0r.com> <50B4E664.6030606@filez.com> <CAN6yY1sfeVSU=CAm9XoxHJ01PagW3u4xJ0kUe2Uugh5K6mkHig@mail.gmail.com> <50B56392.9060506@ShaneWare.Biz> <31BBFCB108C82225ADF20511@utd71538.campus.ad.utdallas.edu> <CAPJF9wkuT20QpewXj4kbQ9giqBS_Sad_eho7fekN-YVDoZZ=MQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAN6yY1twA0iPZSn2VrOnL9K%2BV8LEHGYSu4J50gDbLH-F0-x4nQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPJF9wkx2uxQR7o5wh%2BM5%2BMW6JJ46FQnW0U0=A1agR_5FY9p%2BA@mail.gmail.com> <20121129092433.GA5519@straylight.m.ringlet.net>
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2012/11/29 Peter Pentchev <roam@ringlet.net> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:06:59PM +0200, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > > 2012/11/28 Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Yerenkow < > yerenkow@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > In that case, near each port should be.mntr contact mentioned, > to.make it > > > > easier for anyone to contact mntr immediately, instead making > additional > > > > unnecessary steps. > > > > > > I suspect that you are missing the fact that all ports which lack a > > > specific maintainer (most of them) are maintained by ports@. So the > > > messages to ports are only for the vast array of ports that are > > > unmaintained. There is no one else to contact. > > > > > > Ideally, if someone has a little free time, they can look at the list > > > and pick a couple to update and submit the update in a PR to ports > > > with a category of "update". Or even better, become the maintainer, > > > yourself. I have been maintainer for a couple of ports that were > > > critical to my work, so I could be sure that they would be updated > > > promptly. > > > > > > > Not exactly :) My suggestion about including current maintainer contact > > info was about this part of discussion: > > > > >>Probably more to the point is that it shouldn't get sent to the ports > > >>mailing list - just to port maintainers. > > >Did you ever think that sending it to the list might motivate someone > else > > to take over the port? > > >There's a reason ports get out of date. One of the reasons is because > the > > port maintainer has lost interest or no longer has the time. If people on > > the list see it, someone who is motivated might update the >port and end > up > > being its new maintainer. > > > > So, my thought was, if you ever came to sending portscout messages with > > alive maintainer to all ports@ list, would be nice to see contacts > > immediately. > > You could learn that some maintainer is inactive last time, and next time > > you see update for his port, you could get it to work. > > Something like that. > > But this is exactly the point - portscout *only* sends messages to the > e-mail address listed in the port's MAINTAINER line. If portscout's > message goes to the ports@FreeBSD.org list, then there *is* no active > maintainer - what Paul means is that the maintainer has lost interest > (or the ability / resources / time to work on the port) and somebody has > reset the port's maintainership to ports@FreeBSD.org. > Between " maintainer has lost interest" and "somebody has reset the port's maintainership" sometimes months happens, if not years. With some digests (even monthly ones) someone other could see that there is new version of X, and look at portstree, and if it's not there - he could poke maintainer. That was my point. OT: Would be good if ports infrastructure eventually evolve in some collaborative way, with seeing other's activity, actions, plans, busy/vacation statuses, etc. PR system is too passive, and from past. (Of course, it's working, and this is great, but there will be 2013 soon, and some effective issue system is just jumping to be adopted by project) IMHO of course. > > G'luck, > Peter > > -- > Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org peter@packetscale.com > PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc > Key fingerprint 2EE7 A7A5 17FC 124C F115 C354 651E EFB0 2527 DF13 > If I had finished this sentence, > -- Regards, Alexander Yerenkow
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