From owner-freebsd-security Thu Nov 30 10: 2:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B978337B402 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 141Y4y-0000Pl-00; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3A2696D4.7ECEE367@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:05:08 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Wollman Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NATD: failed to write packet back (Permission denied) References: <001701c057c4$1e1ac010$0200a8c0@n2> <20001126110756.C34151@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <000b01c057dd$f9423ab0$0200a8c0@n2> <20001126113720.A70192@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <3A2183E7.6039C582@FreeBSD.org> <20001126140033.E70192@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <3A218C5B.9F677E51@FreeBSD.org> <200011270130.UAA88239@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3A221402.D88321D8@softweyr.com> <14882.49100.131730.989201@nomad.yogotech.com> <3A24AC77.51EF28C@softweyr.com> <200011291507.KAA16392@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <3A253A44.D7EA9113@softweyr.com> <200011291802.NAA17650@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garrett Wollman wrote: > > < said: > > > But you keep saying "on my home machine" and seem to insist that having > > a single machine on the internet at home is somehow normal. > > To a large fraction of the world's population, having a ``home > machine'' of any kind is out of the ordinary. Most of the people who > have net access today have only one computer. > > In any case, the actual number doesn't make much difference -- the > same argument (that you are perfectly capable of setting up your > machines securely) still holds. No, it doesn't, I have Windows machines on the net. They cannot be secured without a firewall. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message