From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 19:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05889 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05883 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (kaput@aeiusrF-01.aei.ca [206.186.205.1]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09679; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:15:27 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Capriotti CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know that FreeBSD is more centralised, and I know the differancy between it and Linux :-) Ok, right, we are newbie :-) But we can start project, who are not of coding, like you say: we can do HTML and text for newbie. Because if some patient advanced user can help us, tomorow, we will not be newbie, and we should do something to help, or to use the Personnal Computer we have in hand. Some newbie guy e-mailed me for the idea of FUG, but they are newbie. And I agree with you than Advanced user have no time for us. But they should! Today we are newbie, tomorow we will be advanced user. And if we run FreeBSD as advanced user, its an advantage for the freebsd comunity! I know that its long, but with good explanation, you can do a lot of thing more rapidly. We can write, so its ok. :-) We can do a central, for newbie to FreeBSD. Because if FreeBSD work with newbie, some day those newbie will be advanced user. And if they have advanced user, they have more power. Its just to use it. And right now, I know than a lot of people, more than you think, have the CD of FreeBSD, but dont know *how to* so they use Win95... I have finded than all book on the subject talk about boring hardware. Hardware is important, but like me, when you dont know how to use MAN correctly... :-) So I have 3 project: Like yours, an easy FreeBSD manual, after than all is installed who just talk about administration. And as someone from Hong Kong e-mailed me, I can see than we talk a lot of language! And with a lot of example. So, if us, newbie, do a manual, we will understand more easily. My second project is FUG, (Freebsd User Group) and if some admin on this list can e-mail me for give me information on how I can submit that project... :-) And the last, would be a channel for newbie who use freebsd. Like #bsd-newbie on undernet or some server like that. I just want than some Admin in FreeBSD project take consideration of newbie and of there problems-a lot or problems... So, we are not alone in the dark, I wish :-) cya KapuT *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** Capriotti wrote: > Dear Joey and KapuT. > > Several points on what you both just said are true, but the main problem > with FreeBSD today is partialy caused by it's best part: > > Centralization. > > A code, once it is written, will not be included as part of FreeBSD at > once; It will first be tested - a LOT ! - and next released as alpha, beta, > and so on. > > PPL don't like it, but this is the way to make Free solid as a rock, and > that's why I chose FBSD, and many ppl too. > > It is never too much to mention companies like Sony Electronics and Yahoo, > that use FreeBSD, and not other comercial or free unix package. > > Be patient if you can't - like myself - code a progam. Coding could be the > best way to support free, but, on the ohter hand, opening a IRC channel > would also be great, but finding ppl to sit and answer is somtimes > difficult; Why ? Simple: Hackers (I'd better call them crackers, since they > break in systems. hackers build systems. They KNOW HOW to invade them, buy > they have their ethics - as I was saing, crackers don't like FreeBSD > because of this "slow-growth" structure. > > Example: FreeBSD is about to release the final and maybe stable version of > the SMP kernel. Linux has it for a long time ago. > > But I heard that planing on Free's SMP was taken VERY seriosly indeed, to > avoid problems like too much overhead, crashes, etc... The rock-stable > stuff, right ? > > Linux did a great job too, but I'm actually not familiar to it. > > The real point is: This "slow-growth" struc is not atractive to > hackers/crackers, so they move to Linux (usually) and start coding for it. > > Do you guys feel you can convince a couple of newbies or good programers to > start coding for FreeBSD ? And would them agree giving away their sources, > to the rest of the world ? > > Well, if yes, you are both a great oportunity to the FReeBSD community. > > If not, Let us keep on giving our opinions about the FreeBSD Home Page that > never changes, and where most of us, newbies (I myself am a two year > newbie... I'ts two years I first bought my FBSD CD, but only now I could > actually put it to work) egt lost after information. > > Let us keep trying to understand those huge and cryptographic MAN pages; > They are good for those who already know how Unix - general Unix - work, > but we get much more confused when we look at them (there are exceptions > !!! Some pages are REALLY good !). > > Finally, Let us - why not - start a newbie gide ! Once I tryed to do it > myself here in Brazil, but I couldn't, since my success was indeed limited. > Now a fellow - Edson Brandi - started one in portuguese, and it helped me > to put my system running; I am now starting to write my own experiences and > problems, and he is publishing them. > > I believe that we could do the same here. Who among us is good at HTML, or > has a good HTML editor ? > > I could translate Edson's texts, and we could start a site from somewhere ! > > Opinions ??? > > Best regards ! [May the force be with us, ppl ! I feel we can make the > difference !] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message