From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 3 03:28:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E4B477CED for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 03:28:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vladimir@kondratyev.su) Received: from corp.infotel.ru (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CmhBs6MzLz4jGZ for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 03:28:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vladimir@kondratyev.su) Received: from corp (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) by corp.infotel.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4178316472A for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:28:45 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at corp.infotel.ru Received: from corp.infotel.ru ([195.170.219.3]) by corp (corp.infotel.ru [195.170.219.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UeGiQ-VMXkZz for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:28:35 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru (unknown [195.170.219.74]) by corp.infotel.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1972816471D for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:28:35 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125CA42211F for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:24:47 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cicgroup.ru Received: from mail.cicgroup.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (mail.cicgroup.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id olW9NzpKalpM for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:24:39 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [192.168.0.30] (gateway [10.0.2.2]) by mail.cicgroup.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E35F142211C for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:24:39 +0300 (MSK) Subject: Re: RFC: removing ndis(4) To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20201203001247.GF18452@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> From: Vladimir Kondratyev Message-ID: <178622db-7dcd-fcae-743c-883711121733@kondratyev.su> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 06:28:00 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201203001247.GF18452@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CmhBs6MzLz4jGZ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vladimir@kondratyev.su has no SPF policy when checking 195.170.219.3) smtp.mailfrom=vladimir@kondratyev.su X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[195.170.219.3:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[195.170.219.3:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kondratyev.su]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8299, ipnet:195.170.192.0/19, country:RU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 03:28:55 -0000 On 03.12.2020 03:12, Brooks Davis wrote: > I'd like to propose that we remove the ndis(4) driver prior to FreeBSD > 13. It was a clever idea in the early 2000's when the market was > flooded with 10/100 NICs with Windows-only drivers, but that hasn't been > the case for ages and the driver has had no meaningful maintenance in > ages[0]. I'd be a bit surprised if it worked at all today (it surely > won't work with modern Windows drivers). > > To try to examine the popularity of ndis, I checked dmesgd.nycbug.org > and there are 5 total entries with the most recent being 2007. > > The PC Card attachments are currently marked for deletion prior to > FreeBSD 13. > > Unless there is surprising outcry I plan to add (and MFC) deprecation > notices in about a week's time and remove the driver shortly thereafter. > > -- Brooks > > [0] I noticed today that part of the ndis 802.11 ioctl handler has been > broken since 2005. ndis(4) was functional at least in 2015 and at that time it was the only way to utilize BCM's wi-fi built in my "Asus EEEPC"