From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 3 18:16:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B6A37B400 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E32843E6A for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 14838 invoked by uid 417); 4 Sep 2002 01:16:30 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:16:30 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.5.7]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:16:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:15:27 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: dave@jetcafe.org, tlambert2@mindspring.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020903211527.1a0655b6.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020903144201.Q66978-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> References: <200209021141.g82Bf7157514@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <20020903144201.Q66978-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:57:11 -0700 (PDT) "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > naturalism as a viable worldview. In fact, if naturalism is false its > opposite, supernaturalism must be true. > > Moreover, not just any supernaturalism will do. It must provide the > preconditions for rationality, ethics, science, human dignity, > freedom, intellectual disagreements, etc. Exactly. Judaism. What, that wasn't the religion you had in mind? ;-) The problem with these sorts of philosophical conjectures is that if, despite Kant's objections, they could be proven; they rarely prove any particular religion's cogence. Somehow I knew that since the subject line contained the word "evolution" that the missionaries would come out of the woodwork. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message