From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 13 00:54:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7640815DBAFE for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 00:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E68AF94973 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2019 00:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clay.daniels.jr@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2e.google.com with SMTP id j26so7822368vsn.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:54:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Si2Ykg1wWiDwnN1dzjdpRErxDZYLst1b6qpyV2+YZSg=; b=EfhRryo/9w2JPtZrt6x7fhwJDqnprkFhqzvUXmEmnIwEPUlonOKVEVV1IPsIDBRRez CL3rTOwx5ajX3CX31/Cq+x9KVFlHsUcbpvUnfZ5+2gV7JtMBx1+QKsLvXx4YXUrag1Xw M5NYXWgw9gva5fq+3z46Bd5mWacswFpYP+J6/tTmmoo1ATutWGQCUIg1ib6O37OoUSkj MUaHn3TDxpP9J8lyyRKSun0EDBAEMsJBO9LzObWxF03gDvcRR0pm9w4+53WYgei/iXC+ cwRk6cW753OAWx1xCOM71KGwiKRjYXrAt1ByejHFzZsGvrpMVGiYymprbl29OnasmNgE bebQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Si2Ykg1wWiDwnN1dzjdpRErxDZYLst1b6qpyV2+YZSg=; b=GgnarpEIWkZ/eGTGsSCLOWXbF6h4t9goJ7OOmjvAXjkruQiwCvmH/TSLHj/zGqIEeZ c/JwB5AuCv9A4tPRICThVZrEjKzAc3ncIWhTbZBncS6JLmkUAp4HE6hXMva+DGJnoUHU j2sHtcnBAZDMuR18MtB9qZXy3yh+GM9SkNjZD9S11vHSRoMLgmcuRa7L8nZAn/16/SSx JRNzKmNZejvUMFpMy5s1GZN7kCcI8wHNTyOAtQ0lXHCM2Nd2EP6Lo6sCs+RjUdWWrheI jOqAYPvUiZKtfRe7mpNWoqaNKi2OplePcTeb2d0zs2APadhaestmJwOImtWKE1Xm9L3i 8oTg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUGaHfazj4ahCtz7F0UdV1VqaUCkrWwuedWXOSw4mUgR3JbEMUV SwPbykxkEBAEGfBEPKcXpZcf/wYQ2GcsAXLnqwghxQ3aIg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxmq18PWgGvjwAsBw75t6YDcJbhURoD2XyYVrvpAACk1wH927yJkgHNQmcQqgHTa7AfpZ+Sb6oJT4UfAC1evhA= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e244:: with SMTP id w4mr10259570vse.176.1562979246101; Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:54:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sgrbi3qg.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190712171910.GA25091@neutralgood.org> <871ryuj3ex.fsf@toy.adminart.net> In-Reply-To: <871ryuj3ex.fsf@toy.adminart.net> From: "Clay Daniels Jr." Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:53:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: dead slow update servers To: hw Cc: "Kevin P. Neal" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E68AF94973 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=EfhRryo/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of claydanielsjr@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=claydanielsjr@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.93 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.849,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[e.2.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-3.07)[ip: (-9.68), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-3.18), asn: 15169(-2.45), country: US(-0.06)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 00:54:08 -0000 TrueOS is downstream to FreeBSD. If you want to go that route that's fine, but I'm willing to take the little warts on the top dog in BSD, FreeBSD. If you look at Distrowatch you will see 17 listed under BSD, dig a bit deeper, and you will see twelve of them are directly based on FreeBSD. https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=BSD&category=All&origin=All&basedon=FreeBSD¬basedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=All&status=Active#simple TrueOS has it's own little following, with Trident & GhostBSD, and is trying to get out of the desktop market itself, but they are still all downstream to FreeBSD. Who else has all the documentation. the variety of packages, etc. Nobody else in the BSD space. My humble opinion, Clay Daniels On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 6:39 PM hw wrote: > "Kevin P. Neal" writes: > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:04:23PM +0200, hw wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> are you guys seriously expecting users to download packages they want to > >> install at speeds around 25kb/s? I'm already annoyed about them being > >> painfully slow when downloads are 1000 times faster than that. > >> > >> Unless there is a solution to this problem, I will probably give up on > >> trying out freebsd right away because usage in production even on my > >> servers at home, let alone at work, simply won't be feasible. > > > > I don't actually know why it would be so slow, but it may be that lots of > > people are upgrading to the new 11.3 release and the servers are swamped. > > Which means that any other week there probably won't be an issue. > > Ok, maybe I'll try again next week. In the meantime, Trueos seems quite > likeable except that it somewhat forces you to use ZFS. Since I don't > want ZFS for what I'm doing, freebsd would probably be better. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >