From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 25 13:10:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE6516A4B3 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AA543FD7 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9PKA3Sb007876; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9PKA33h018147; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:10:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id h9PKA3Ug018146; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:10:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:10:03 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Kip Macy Message-ID: <20031025201003.GC18072@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200310230143.32244.wes@softweyr.com> <20031025175948.GF683@funkthat.com> <20031025194135.GA790@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20031025124518.F41344@demos.bsdclusters.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031025124518.F41344@demos.bsdclusters.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.9-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: John-Mark Gurney cc: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: FreeBSD mail list etiquette X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:10:19 -0000 On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 12:55:26PM -0700, Kip Macy wrote: > > There is also a problem in that the dirty work, even if done in a > > way that demonstrates that the person has skills, is not always > > recognised as important. The recognition has to come from within > > that part of the developer community that has commit bits, because > > you need someone with a commit bit to actually commit the stuff. If > > noone with a commit bit recorgnises the dirty work as important, > > it's not going to be committed and the person who has done the dirty > > work is not recognised as someone who is worthy of a commit bit > > because none of his work has been committed. > > > > I think this perfectly underscores, if not restates, Terry's point. He > doesn't believe sufficient value is placed on the "dirty work". The > following will sound as if it were intended to be ironic, but it isn't. > Those working in the DragonFly tree, all appreciate Hiten's hard work as a > "bottle-washer". We've benefited from the fact that members of the FreeBSD > community, through racist remarks and endless flames, and a key member of > core, through the indefinite postponement of a commit-bit, have alienated And that is certifiable BS.. I suggest you talk to Hiten first before you further spread fud like this.... W/ -- | / o / /_ _ FreeBSD core team secretary |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org