From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 20 22:28:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21241 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21202 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:28:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.188]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3AF1; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:28:36 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990121110151.C7737@caamora.com.au> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:36:46 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: jonathan michaels Subject: Re: Change in crypto policy in France Cc: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Jan-99 jonathan michaels wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:23:01PM +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: >> According to jonathan michaels: >> > on teh web .. i've just seen people say how bad it is .. could you >> > explain what the wassenaar arrangement is and how it would be >> > bad, please >> >> The main thing is that export for commercial usage/products is >> restricted to the same level as in the USA (i.e. RC2/40, RC5/40 and so >> forth). DES may be at 56 bits (not sure here). >> >> What is really delicious is that free software is not restricted >> apparently. > > yes, this is teh bit i fond most interesting, all sorts of places are > poping up and saying you cant do 'commercial' 'strong encryption', but > you can give it away, as in freeware .. japan is teh most recent one, > i;ve notices and only as part of teh ip6 thingies in the KAME project. > > interesting to see what happens next .. grin sortta And this last sentence is exactly why I am bringing it up again and again, ad nauseum. Most European countries were having no restrictions whatsoever and now we all of a sudden have a legal document which may get implemented sooner or later, but nonetheless the fundaments for control lie there. And there should be no distinction between free and commercial software regarding this issue. Cryptography and thus privacy and security are constitutional rights and a prerequisite for the success of IPSec and other relevant protocols. The main thing that's wrong about the whole issue is the one about the first it was all free and now not anymore. How far is the step to add a next entry into that Arrangement that will control every product, be it free or commercial? Don't make the mistake of thinking it won't happen. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven It's a Dance of Energy, asmodai(at)wxs.nl when the Mind goes Binary... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message