From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 12 20:44:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66514DAB for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:44:34 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: Richard Stallman came to town Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:44:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9cf2$ea4c4c00$021d85d1@whenever.youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <199905130332.XAA11617@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't see how some people's ignorance can be blamed on GNU. It's > like blaming the gun manufaturer for someone being shot, or the > cigarette maker for someone getting cancer... oh, wait, we do blame > that on them now-a-days. If gun makers knowingly sold guns to people who didn't know how to use them, it would be logical to hold them responsible. If cigarette makers represented their cigarettes as safe to smoke while knowing they weren't, it would be logical to hold them responsible. I'm very curious why cigarette makers don't just come clean and say that smoking can kill you. If you smoke cigarettes, you are taking a risk. Many people knowingly take risks for pleasure, it's much like skiing. There is a big difference between responsibility for actions taken with full knowledge, and responsibility for duping people into making decisions without full knowledge. > > Everybody loses. This is typical. This is intentional. > > It is intentional. But Stallman would say that the fault lies not with GNU > but with the proprietary software you were forced to use. If he said that, it'd be awfully strange. Does he think there's something wrong with refusing to require your customers to accept software with disclaimers? > Funny thing > here is, if there was no GNU, how would this outcome have been any > different? Would you still have most likely ended up with proprietary > software? Umm, no. It is my belief that many people GPL/GLL their code out of ignorance. If not for the GPL/GLL they'd have released their code under less restrictive terms, and then more people could use it and benefit from it. > Out of curiousity, what was too restrictive about gdbm's license if > you would have made the code changes freely available? b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following: a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or, c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) Our legal department will not accept any 'forced speech' and will not permit us to foist any disclaimers upon our customers. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message