Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:01:44 +0000 From: Mark Blackman <mark@exonetric.com> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, Mark Saad <nonesuch@longcount.org>, John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle Message-ID: <D543DB9D-8497-4E29-A712-868774C5ABA1@exonetric.com> In-Reply-To: <20120127032616.GB32500@lonesome.com> References: <CADWvR2ioJo2oy=0FTRv-BiMHGG3KB1AERjuu0FOk_yCqsGzukg@mail.gmail.com> <201201260937.47448.jhb@freebsd.org> <6D5F6ECE-5966-4849-AFDC-7F385E2CE906@exonetric.com> <201201261322.29688.jhb@freebsd.org> <ECFE9ADA-9E54-44A6-ADCA-2511462EBB67@exonetric.com> <20120126224921.GA26109@lonesome.com> <A838D705-5B4B-4EA5-8BC6-11BEA4FF593B@exonetric.com> <20120127032616.GB32500@lonesome.com>
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On 27 Jan 2012, at 03:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:52:44PM +0000, Mark Blackman wrote: >> I suspect poor old RE is putting too much work into BETAs and RCs for >> point releases.=20 >=20 > The counter-argument is that we have a lot more leeway to make = mistakes > on a .0 release. We're not going to be cut any slack at all for = shipping > a badly regressed point release. >=20 > Some minor regressions are inevitable in software, but they do indeed > need to be minor. >=20 > For how we're doing with regressions in general, see: >=20 > = http://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/studies/prs/prs_for_tag_regression.html= >=20 > Now, it's true that many of the recent PRs are against 9.0, and many = of > the ones that aren't may be stale (certainly most of the pre-2010 = ones), > but these are the types of things that users really notice and become > unhappy about. All good points, although I'd guess there's some diminishing returns = argument for progressive RCs/BETAs, however probably only the RE team have a good = feeling for the sweet spot. - Mark
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