From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 14 14:18:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F059B99882 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:18:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2ACE147C for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:18:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-209-65.knology.net [216.186.209.65] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id u6EEIOVu020578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:18:25 -0500 Subject: Re: borderline OT fireox question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5e4a20fe-51a4-ac10-4f72-23fcc3d04c15@hiwaay.net> <20160714002117.224b64ae@archlinux.localdomain> <8cd76e2e-ed11-7b3b-be75-de6bb4dcc092@hiwaay.net> <20160714063744.snaqwdbmzhd4ndb5@dijkstra.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de> <20160714120129.08aceea1@moonstudio> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:23:54 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160714120129.08aceea1@moonstudio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:18:27 -0000 On 07/14/16 05:07, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:37:44 +0200, Daniël de Kok wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14:26PM +0000, William A. Mahaffey III >> wrote: >>> OK, but where is that history kept, & how do they associate past & >>> current searches ? > I don't know, but it's deleted if I delete everything, e.g. cookies and > cache, but keep browsing and download history. Btw. I only tested this > after your request, I don't use this search thingy maself, I'm old > school and open a search engine by address bar or speed dial. I also > replaced Firefox with IceCat (another fork is Pale Moon), but my > favourite replacement is QupZilla, it's not really a fork, but very > close to Firefox and based on WebKit, so it never slows down as Firefox > and it's forks do. However, regarding privacy the forks are better than > Firefox is. If you want to ensure that Firefox doesn't "phone home" > after e.g. editing about:config, launch Firefox and Wireshark only ;) > and repeat it after a week, two weeks ... ;). I do exactly that, have cron eliminate cookies & cache from .mozilla nightly, leave browsing history. I find the following: [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:32am] 492 % grep -i icecat LIST.available.txt [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:41am] 493 % grep -i palemoon LIST.available.txt [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:43am] 494 % grep -i qupzill LIST.available.txt qupzilla-qt4-1.8.9 qupzilla-qt5-1.8.9 [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:45am] 495 % grep -i wireshark LIST.available.txt wireshark-2.0.3 wireshark-lite-2.0.3 wireshark-qt5-2.0.3 [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:48am] 496 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p33 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p33 #0: Wed Jan 13 17:55:39 UTC 2016 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:17:51am] 497 % grep -i wireshark LIST.installed.txt wireshark-2.0.3 Powerful network analyzer/capture tool [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:18:40am] 498 % i.e. no IceCat or PaleMoon pkg'ed up for FreeBSD 9.3R. Which QupZilla would I install, any idea ? Also, could you elaborate on that 'launch FireFox & WireShark only' ? What am I doing there ? Thanks & TIA > >> I think that there are two possibilities: >> >> 1. You see a correlation that does not really exist - Google is just >> suggesting probably completions of a query, and other people search >> similar things as you do. >> >> 2. Google does track you, and is using other means to uniquely >> identify you. >> EFF's Panopticlick [1] shows that most browsers have a fingerprint >> that is very unique. E.g. it finds that my particular browser >> fingerprint is unique among 132,254 browsers so far. >> >> At any rate, I agree with the grandparent poster: if you don't want >> Google to track you, don't use Google. StartPage is a good suggestion, >> you also might want to look into DuckDuckGo. > The problem with Startpage is, that it provides privacy, but anyway > relies on Google. The issue with DuckDuckGo is, less good search > results, especially for other languages than English, at least for > German searches. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I agree about DuckDuckGo 100%, exactly my experience. I installed StartPage & will try it out over time & see how it goes. Thanks. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.