From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Oct 14 05:40:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA13575 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from usr02.primenet.com (tlambert@usr02.primenet.com [206.165.6.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA13540; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01458; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:40:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199710141240.FAA01458@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: C2 Trusted FreeBSD? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:40:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199710140424.XAA17794@nospam.hiwaay.net> from "dkelly@hiwaay.net" at Oct 13, 97 11:24:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Remember, for the most part we're talking about security specs brought to > you by the same government that would limit cryptography to key escrow > techniques. The FBI web page has a link explaining their position: legally obtained wire taps. I can't help thinking that, even though this doesn't violate search and seizure (since wire taps a re performed with due process of law, needing a court order), it probably violates compelling one to testify against oneself. Unless you can get wire taps thrown out altogether, then strong cryptography is potentiatially an act of obstruction of justice, and the FBI has a point of law in their favor. Personally, I think all wire taps should be illegal on the basis of them being an act of compelling someone to testify against themselves. But until someone tests this (probably a real criminal, unfortunately) and gets the evidence thrown out as unconstitutionally obtained, then existing case law favors Key Escrow. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.