From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Sun Jan 1 11:06:48 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD62C9AE66 for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x22c.google.com (mail-lf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87486100B for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id y21so257996710lfa.1 for ; Sun, 01 Jan 2017 03:06:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/rh+kpMPU3/putAhxxcE6vQvUj7r4tiTQcFxkqW+s0E=; b=tjnFdspoZj6pQNdKs5SeJMCXvRo+d/MHE5fAceWtZRs0p+P+AShVjjNRfYc3vWt4te s7sQp3yYvmBBmCJnE0r4DY7ZCeT30WzZzLtCnZnH/5XZYB0CaKZ/tvW9sSz5jzdqNu4W br0471Yos9vGldRSdeE6pU8By8aVhUAQKIuSC0vsKvCdTkg3IKJlZTxFVO6uSt5IOSM4 TCcKlZsIw4vDrITmO+b9lm2G8QVqxFdYELYZwIw1JvFBFA/mPouKW36AsjVBhCN7nUlb 64xn/HfWyuEdDQ+SccnjhZpn/9kHttit4ZnxJsg7/dOznYoI2Q3ee4QJXUZbouaMqwBC pnPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/rh+kpMPU3/putAhxxcE6vQvUj7r4tiTQcFxkqW+s0E=; b=gUk0OPVpjBz0egIUSngE+GkR4A/BIJAYw8ntNmXEoX+H3hEETI38XLEp87IJUJ/EQy icw8PsXMbdl4w8zfXov4D2GUiR6/BjyzYSGvI2tjFbXpajXLzyL6ipqjRncZrR2JMKy0 hrdzarvL99OJ5EVLYQ7e5A38MzzeU25F4X7IGcqut5Ng4FbYLkgHH8Ylll1hHRvczBYi tH3e5GR8tI2mf6jH3/nfh1OAltxfTY/U4CnteaoKOl+HnjffW9ywJSktqj/4NQNmfw6m G2HkaQw+7PvxOWvOe0fJ4cccpgfWgsREaM6qXP2sSpE/6nH80kcxzfLesOqAJ3MU6cC8 J28g== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIOvlnh/uBcCkdLF+JMG+i3w1SSx5WxjNb77hL/JCiMaRfE7Z6OLS2GlHNn13+y1JmodsZPqFYqOVX7gQ== X-Received: by 10.25.211.134 with SMTP id k128mr19570985lfg.118.1483268805407; Sun, 01 Jan 2017 03:06:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.79.88 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Jan 2017 03:06:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20170101095536.GA5573@lonesome.com> References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <1595742b65f.1050eb06862309.1096856657498598610@nextbsd.org> <20170101081136.GA5399@lonesome.com> <7dc8c4d9d9cdcb9bc0521d53cf94e04b@193.231.238.8> <20170101095536.GA5573@lonesome.com> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 19:06:44 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant To: Mark Linimon Cc: dan_partelly , x11-list freebsd , Beeblebrox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 11:06:48 -0000 I volunteer to be a committer. I don't care how hard it is but it's something that I want to do. I agree with the sentiment above that if people want to submit code, there should be some way for things to have some reasonable time line to be looked at. This could be better organized maybe, I haven't run into that issue yet and I would like to avoid it. So there, someone who volunteers to start working on this issue at least nvidia specific for now. I don't need hand holding but a lot of people on this list can seem a bit jaded at times. Probably a lot of people come in start and never finish, I get that it's life but at least we can try to answer questions when people ask them, at least give them a few responses to let them know that they aren't talking to a wall. If you the list finds out the person is a waste of time then they can be ignored. But anyways, I found a simple piece of code that I plan on migrating to FreeBSD because it will solve some of my issues, the goal is to get it to FreeBSD as a port, here's the code: http://paste2.org/Av3zkMa8 I had a macbook first and freebsd updated trackpad support for mac is awesome. I get a different laptop with a generic synaptic touchpad and the support is pretty terrible, why? mac is such a niche device but so much work was put into porting the trackpad software but synaptics is everywhere and the support is god awful! I email the guy who started a long thread on the mailing list about testing the device, no response. anyways what I am saying is that if freebsd is looking for committers fine, at least be a lil responsive to people who ask questions on the list, sometimes people aren't stupid but like someone said freebsd has a lot of moving parts. I have llvm 37 38 39 on my machine just to build specific projects. I know my way around code not around BSD. When I asked about the AMD drivers the guy basically said, get caught up to where I am, then I'll help you. Go figure out how to get where I am.... yea thanks that's helpful. If FreeBSD wants more committers they don't have to make it a cake walk but it should at least be responsive to people who request things, especially if the request to add patches, no matter how elite the core is, their eliteness cannot overcome the wisdom of new perspectives. Could they be more responsive and not so i'm in my ivory tower looking down on your mortals? Best, Owen On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 11:36:38AM +0200, dan_partelly wrote: > > With all due respect, you guys need to take more seriously the process > > and politics of contributions to FreeBSD. > > I've been trying to promote this for years and have made inadequate > progress. What are your suggestions? > > > Especially the core, they should make this a priority. > > Everyone seems to think core "drives" the project. It doesn't. It is > more of a governing body. Should it be more active? Opinions vary. > > > The time frame for review is way too big > > Agreed. I've not accomplished what I wanted to here, either. What are > your suggestions? > > > There is also something which I perceive as a lack of direction in > > the project. > > It's a collective, not a hierarchy. People work on what they want to > work on. > > mcl > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >