From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Mar 3 9:33:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1C614F2A for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:33:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA226792376; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:32:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Brett Glass Cc: Brett Taylor , Adam Turoff , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd vs. linux and NT chart In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990302163944.00a1e620@localhost> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > Stop right there. Most users don't even know what CVSup is, much > less use it to update source. They don't want a system that > changes every day, nor do they want the overhead of updating > everything constantly. If the users aren't updating their sources/ports, then the new (lack of) support will not alienate them. Either Users want new/updated ports, and they keep their source current. or Users want stability in ports, and keep their trees the same. You can't have it both ways. > >That said I see you maintain no ports at all > > True. I haven't been asked to. Nor would I want to, if the ports system > left users in the cold like that. Whine, whine, bitch, bitch. The ports tree doesn't change on users unless they want it to, and they should understand those consequences. > If it's a problem, it's a problem with the system. Compiling to two > formats should not be THAT difficult. But if it's REALLY such a big > deal for you to compile to anything but ELF, why not create a module that > lets 2.2.x load ELF binaries that use native FreeBSD APIs? It > sounds to me as if this would merely involve adapting the Linux > compatibility module for 2.2.x to do this when it saw a > FreeBSD-branded ELF binary. This module could be brought in as > a dependency in the port, along with any "upgrade kit" that was > required. I'll be waiting for your package to come through the PR system. > A tiny amount of cleverness and innovation can solve these problems. > But nothing that disenfranchises loyal existing users is acceptable, EVER. The existing users aren't the ones being hurt. It's the ones who are moving targets right now. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message