From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Nov 26 17:11:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687A3DEBCBF for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x229.google.com (mail-it0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C157708D6 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x229.google.com with SMTP id x28so18232596ita.0 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=uKl/PTLqsiwDIG92x2rfpyktmZ5eLXrZLXbq1d03xls=; b=JZ099TCT0CM4dVAq7Zk+3+ik5lEeO2vp6QA9AtVlWaYlW5PTVyv0BUYasqq+GtvNCg AmY7WumbByYF7biW/u0UzNbGfV7ItezraMAYZWIVrQfZUbOFFl7WFWMcZo4U2CjZItmk E70zamgY6sI+WcsWz2+wmm4ygjTQ3m/KehSsS6eL4/RXwmEdVAdkPbFDp/QepK5+avHo K43dFGKB3wYDBNbxx4Nn8uslUIprWq62eYgKILSNp2WGCBL1rgGSCRrEP2ZrMuZzi9ig dTephTrDhzVKm0XAT+0O6zz+LeP52takvIB1aud0xiLFN2JVTJv2Xc2OVk3yXn9Hdjnz wrxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uKl/PTLqsiwDIG92x2rfpyktmZ5eLXrZLXbq1d03xls=; b=TvD4GNQDNmJOtMoOyc/eiGukMewZskm+4AMbJtjrMxqeqmUTEWtSA/+Jj5OXwBPaCh U2Bu3s5DUT/5bVn/2seIVjUq2NKimJmx0nmERMw2r2a14DyY4G3Qp7Py3KYnQfZuilHX NUqaDPkji5N0h3HTu6QIfThzUtw2ZSAgbFucvJYPkHYgKYAFwwjopwcSmXvV5m56b/qg +GQfmB76A06+IlPUmajIrM0sUgXNNa481ZE30QQDv/pL30BJdC3paedbPJabTWQmdVO1 qDhxG2UwfXl6yhQZ42BGoPbdZt4LlwANxYORVOBGbqOuWY5hqz0//w1em7HgIkF+7dVf NGBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5gLt8MhYY5/+lC9A/SbN837Ky1AL9emRyiUXd7LSmqRjjLDym8 +Zxp+bvBb0iv9cnSGVd4XPLmLr91tYOYniOtlhyD0Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZNntIWn7rUvDL4NzvuJLaAVFBALr+05BRmDxt8VbwItgTqva5c/F5n39i3KJlT1kemk/WDq+WmQSwTwv/R8cY= X-Received: by 10.36.133.135 with SMTP id r129mr26405531itd.69.1511716268328; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.108.204 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:06 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:1052:acc7:f9de:2b6d] In-Reply-To: <7326690.xrhihQoxKt@ralph.baldwin.cx> References: <66D39828-ADBA-4973-BEB8-B2F6657E9996@FreeBSD.org> <6ba033f3-82ce-da58-1720-623fed180479@FreeBSD.org> <7326690.xrhihQoxKt@ralph.baldwin.cx> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:11:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Idn06g6HssJitt4blBcU5yZSY58 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: John Baldwin Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , lidl@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.25 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:11:09 -0000 On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:38 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 03:01:17 PM Kurt Lidl wrote: > > On 11/22/17 11:29 AM, Benno Rice wrote: > > > I would like people=E2=80=99s opinion on which of the following two p= aths we > should take: > > > > > > 1) Complete removal of fortune and freebsd-tips, remove its usage fro= m > the default .login/.profile files. > > > > > > 2) Reworking fortune(6) to remove the offensive fortune flag and make > freebsd-tips the default, possibly by symlinking it as > /usr/share/games/fortune/fortunes. > > > > Of these options, only #2 is approximately correct. > > > > I think just leaving the code as-is, and symlinking the freebsd-tips to > > be the default fortune datafile is the correct course of action. > > > > Removing the offensive flag handling dictates policy towards users > > of the program. If someone wants to add their own offensive datafile > > to their system, the code ought to allow them to select it. > > Agreed. I think removing the default datfiles so that someone can mainta= in > a port is fine, but we should leave freebsd-tips and the tool. When > the -o database was moved out of base we didn't remove the -o option, but > instead extended the tool to work with string files in /usr/local. The > current state is fine. The drama and lost time has always been about the > 4BSD datfiles, never about freebsd-tips or the tool itself, so the issue = is > resolved. > I like this plan. Let's call it consensus and implement. Warner