From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 27 14:32:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2111C415 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:32:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bryan@shatow.net) Received: from secure.xzibition.com (secure.xzibition.com [173.160.118.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89598FC0A for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:32:35 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sweb; b=ORYxpH GDKlHk1iobOyWEJoCCAyUzL6A7feWtno7ixzIuQ7eb6Q5a2rtk7OZR94desR4Mgq 3RXQnvEPtx9OHCppmu12OwaVmC7UqoE/Nc0/nSzO/ebnduFlnxjdsKeFvPCMSlee V0MZqDxuNEGBkTWmXBnrvM3mPWPd/J+OyYHzY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=shatow.net; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sweb; bh=7Ogx5lztN6c+ 1t+rIPwECuRUlMesxB3nYMkrA5O7xys=; b=X6dvXlNZqCtJeozqy2w5SqAxVHV/ +jGXP3y0UKhdVLL/Wd0H+yCO4kXJdcXikwog2ccc5sX1XmAF69qCmadTMs+KlkQo xEl1D3DrdVndp8mtSRVkG+h3HMIbfTrfp841BmNfkMtReSmhDSWbbRVjmcjWc8oU h1qoYxyuK5Xmc8s= Received: (qmail 87999 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2012 09:32:27 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.0.115?) (bryan@shatow.net@10.10.0.115) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 27 Oct 2012 09:32:27 -0500 Message-ID: <508BF062.8020101@shatow.net> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:32:02 -0500 From: Bryan Drewery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rees Subject: Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program References: <201210020750.23358.jhb@freebsd.org> <201210021037.27762.jhb@freebsd.org> <127FA63D-8EEE-4616-AE1E-C39469DDCC6A@xcllnt.net> <20121025211522.GA32636@dragon.NUXI.org> <3F52B7C9-A7B7-4E0E-87D0-1E67FE5D0BA7@xcllnt.net> <20121025221244.GG3808@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> <20121026181152.GC44331@dragon.NUXI.org> <20121026204910.E1FFA58094@chaos.jnpr.net> <20121026233225.54FB858094@chaos.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 OpenPGP: id=3C9B0CF9; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, "Simon J. Gerraty" X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:32:36 -0000 On 10/27/2012 8:23 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > [trim CC list a little to stop people regretting replying to this thread] > > On 27 October 2012 10:15, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:00 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >>>> In that case we have a switch time on the order of years, not weeks; 8.3 >>>> is >>>> supported until May '14, and unless we get a :tl etc MFC into 8, even >>>> longer. All this time the ports tree must work with pmake. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure I was told it is already in 8 and 7 >> >> Not in 8.3 at least: >> >> svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.3/usr.bin/make/var.c?view=log >> >>>> I don't want to discourage you or belittle your excellent work here, but >>>> Marcel made me very nervous with his comment on the process being "a few >>>> weeks". >>> >>> That was based on discussions at the last devsummit. >> >> These discussions need backing up with a real roadmap, including detail on >> exactly what 8.3 and 7.4 users will have to do to ensure that the ports tree >> still works. >> >> I don't see where these considerations have been made. > > OK, so how about this. > > We (ab)use the security update mechanism to merge the pmake changes > (:tl and :tu) into releng/7.4 and releng/8.3 (possibly the earlier > releng branches such as 7.3, 8.2, 9.0). We could then send out a > message on ports-announce, giving a few weeks' notice that the change > to bsd.port.mk is going through and that users need the latest > 'security' patches. This "weeks" is making a assumptions that users 1. reads ports@ or 2. Update to security/errata patches in a timely manner or 3. Read UPDATING > > When we change bsd.port.mk over, include a snippet such as the one at > [1], which gives more informative error text and refers user to > documentation. > > Although I still think this is less than ideal, it is the only way I > can see that we can switch before May '14, if the urgency is there. > > Chris > > [1] http://www.bayofrum.net/~crees/patches/bmake-pmake.diff > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >