From owner-freebsd-current Wed May 1 9:31: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B9237B422 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g41GUZdQ018256; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:30:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with UUCP id g41GUZCN018255; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:30:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g41GQvoI040886; Wed, 1 May 2002 17:26:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200205011626.g41GQvoI040886@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Dan Kogai Cc: Mark Murray , "Vadim Konovalov" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, perl5-porters@perl.org Subject: Re: Save a few hunderd kilobytes or a few hundred perl users? References: In-Reply-To: ; from Dan Kogai "Thu, 02 May 2002 01:17:40 +0900." Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:26:57 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 12:56 , Mark Murray wrote: > >> For me, nowadays 45MB is nothing compared to medium HDD capacity, and > >> even > >> my POCKET PC will easily accomodate it... > > > > 45 MB is fine as a port - we have ports that are way bigger than that. > > And we even have bigger ports that does take longer to build than 'make > buildworld' the whole FreeBSD (which takes less than 30 minutes on > Athron XP 1400 -- the fastest box I have at my fingertip). > > > As part of the base OS? Nope. The only functionality that we _need_ > > is the basic language - effectively miniperl. > > But to sensibly strip down the distribution to just as much as needed > does take a lot of something the most precious -- intellectual power. Nope - it is trivial. We already make miniperl. We just need to install it and not install the rest of perl. 10 mins to do the work, and on-and-off fiddling to make the world build complete. M > That I consider a waste. I don't think anyone objects that there are > several hundred, or even thousand, files under /usr/src so long as it > builds and so long as it nicely fits -- say, in a CD-ROM. FreeBSD > 4.5-stable as of now is just 364,149 kBytes UNCOMPRESSED. Why don't you > just untargz what Perl 5 porter has to offer and forget about what files > should go and stay? You can easily install only needed parts. Bloat. Its easy to "rm -rf " where != unix, and other simple rules. > Speaking of which, the whole build process does not use objective-C > (correct me if I am wrong). So if you insist on stripping Perl it may > as well be unfair to leave GCC unstripped (I pretty much doubt GPL > allows you to do so, however). We strip GCC. We strip most things that we install in src/contrib. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn #text/plain; name=cv.doc [Mark Murray CV Plain Text] cv.doc #application/octet-stream; name=cv.pdf [Mark Murray CV PDF] cv.pdf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message