From owner-dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Tue Jan 5 15:59:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: dev-commits-src-main@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249AD4C0B04 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2021 15:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrtc27@jrtc27.com) Received: from mail-wr1-f42.google.com (mail-wr1-f42.google.com [209.85.221.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D9HJ70QpVz4fHb for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2021 15:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrtc27@jrtc27.com) Received: by mail-wr1-f42.google.com with SMTP id a12so36637445wrv.8 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2021 07:59:50 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=JIsxGNiHGMfrOWW4mdS/oDgk6b9q84TzBJoSTgiq3IQ=; b=t+e1mzzK2i2S5mS1gdjBx+9awAGzi4eeOGOVu2s1Qv7IWibIS9ks8dh5BbpjIcxrq2 kLa+7pSJObrkBQIMzmACxqI19p+0qe8tpjv+0dWmHa5AdqJJbSQoIfM3BDfet9IlHxIG bnxItXY9SLC+Qi5HdJpPvbjTCqbk/5EzgwmUQiyOCH0MqH9zs0fMkTrI/GZIVyjz2wGs R9zCPgSXKKuvsZRkpO4tNrfxhP9K3U1KHuoeXt9cPSF0CdlxyhUl2MOaGgBSrlKan1vh IiDMSv5Q/W8KenvawLAiQVTJl0EkZdJMsv4iPZf6dPmZ4maG+Abuu1IVn6CV+P0aoXs5 446w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531T8Ye755+qou+D6AaMcvweRH4TFCGMl2NKJTCS8dvM/7lTqrKm iasg7yFWBB88Pp1Y12I/1J49pOYjOlV3H+wk X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzJMRwyzmb7MmVo9SgeiYLtDeyKSURwoAzOosGAZtOpVTlP6wk7+8VQd/KxF0h33XXmSCTBMw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:eac1:: with SMTP id o1mr268074wrn.256.1609862389721; Tue, 05 Jan 2021 07:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.149.251] (trinity-students-nat.trin.cam.ac.uk. [131.111.193.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b127sm5247053wmc.45.2021.01.05.07.59.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jan 2021 07:59:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: git: 2d486ba15f33 - main - pkgbase: Move bectl to the runtime package From: Jessica Clarke In-Reply-To: <202101051554.105FsFL7008161@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 15:59:47 +0000 Cc: Emmanuel Vadot , "Rodney W. Grimes" , Emmanuel Vadot , src-committers@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <202101051554.105FsFL7008161@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D9HJ70QpVz4fHb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Commit messages for the main branch of the src repository List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:59:51 -0000 > On 5 Jan 2021, at 15:54, Rodney W. Grimes = wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:58:58 -0800 (PST) >> "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: >>=20 >>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:49:19 -0800 (PST) >>>> "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>>> The branch main has been updated by manu: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> URL: = https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=3D2d486ba15f3367072d631ee588192ef4= 6687fa4b >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> commit 2d486ba15f3367072d631ee588192ef46687fa4b >>>>>> Author: Emmanuel Vadot >>>>>> AuthorDate: 2020-12-21 15:00:02 +0000 >>>>>> Commit: Emmanuel Vadot >>>>>> CommitDate: 2021-01-04 15:17:12 +0000 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> pkgbase: Move bectl to the runtime package >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> runtime contain what is needed to boot in single user and = repair a >>>>>> system, bectl could be handy to have in this situation. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I would think it belongs in the zfs package, >>>>> as unless you have zfs you do not need bectrl. >>>>=20 >>>> There is no zfs package. >>>=20 >>> I would consider that an oversight. >>=20 >> I don't. We don't have a ufs package for example. >=20 > My understanding of the "big idea" of pkg base is to fine > grain feature install/removal, and I would consider support > for things like nfs, ufs, zfs to be along those lines > of fine grain. We could do that. I don't know enough to take a view on whether that's a good idea or not. But I do think it's more important to get something working and rolled-out than spend another 5 years iterating on it to try and achieve perfection. Things that make pkgbase unusable for currently-supported use cases should obviously be fixed, but adding finer-grained packages can come later (or now if you provide tested patches!). Jess