From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 16:13:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BBA9CDFD2 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FB41395 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DD44B9CDFD0; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCE69CDFCF for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85C081394 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GGDj6r004778 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GGDjf4004769; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:53 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: >> >>>>> You say that you can't "quit >>>>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different >>>>> things. >>>> >>>> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. >>> >>> This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) >>> >>> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html >> >> That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." > > So an addition of the "vt vs. sc" topic would be nice, if > (and _really_ if) those HAL side effects are no longer > significant. I think HAL has been deprecated in Linux for > some time now, and more and more packages are dropping > it as a dependency or component, and that's a _good_ thing, The Handbook X chapter needs a rewrite. I've talked about it, but not had time to actually do it. > If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being > deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably > a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with > that trash in the near future, too? :-) systemd on many (most?) distributions now, I think. >> Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather >> than trying with an empty one. > > Typically not found in a fresh install. :-) But carefully added by far too many people. :) >>> I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit >>> and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going >>> to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things >>> inside Xfce won't work as expected. >> >> Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest >> need little or no configuration. > > Nice to hear that. Was about time. :-) > > I'd still be interested if system power control and automount > capabilities still require fiddling with the *Kit's XML files > scattered across the /usr/local subtree. :-) Entries are needed for polkit to enable shutdown. The pkg-message shows them. There are several ways to go about automounting, none of which I've bothered with in the last couple of years.