From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 14 17:30:04 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD6EDD8950 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-cmomta01.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E3D9673C3 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from raspberrypi.bildanet.com ([65.186.81.207]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id EezteB9KNs0jREezweIKsj; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:27:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.143] by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1eEf27-0006KX-2K for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:29:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Updating Instructions To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20171114132056.2e1122f8@gumby.homeunix.com> <20171114154413.GA57677@gmail.com> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <81090cac-6f93-7262-4986-44e7512492cf@columbus.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:29:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171114154413.GA57677@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfDsktl0Ikh71Q4sVqdSB6UAT8jwZJTwMllUx/ZfDcb/YocnGVyb08510H3lmEL5299yeEXToBENoBXbW+/JNVnqduwdpt9p5NG/nABWxbHkshOoUuV/j wtt3+R1B2lWi7wMWvMZnoRUSwmM2t0RnWaxgJjzvJ9nlwPfUnxrkfDoB38Ssj6aOh77Z5AogapyU9ZtpHy2/MyCClVKd3ATlRzg= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:30:04 -0000 On 11/14/2017 10:44 AM, Matt Smith wrote: > On Nov 14 15:40, Carmel NY wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:20:56 +0000, RW via freebsd-questions stated: >> >>> Have you any particular reason to think they are needed? There are no >>> such instructions for updating with pkg and that's what synth uses >>> after building local packages. >> >> Actually, from time to time there are: >> >> (1) 20171107 >> (2) 20171006 >> (3) 20170808 >> (4) 20170807 >> (5) 20170721 >> >> Those are just a few. I agree that it is not as well documented as >> "portmaster" or "portupgrade" though. >> > > This is most likely because pkg, poudriere, and synth are all "clean > room build/install" tools and should just do the correct thing by > default without any intervention required. Whereas portmaster and > portupgrade don't run inside any chroot or jail environments and are > directly affected by things being found in the build host. > > A lot of the time this requires manual intervention, uninstalling > things, moving things out the way etc. before you can do an upgrade. > > You just simply don't need to do that with the clean-room tools. > Unless the base system has a negative influance upon the port in question