From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 26 16:18:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08583B10A0 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x235.google.com (mail-oi1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bc9yr2xBkz4Dj1 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:18:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x235.google.com with SMTP id u24so1995747oic.7 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WwXXPAKlDiX+aYlgaGfTst6bGnYJ4omjzkL+sCpmnrU=; b=P0WgQgUOT6+ZDGIf/a0TTF3se5bf1ep4sSC5iFrZZHLy5YQlNbi/el3c+WxQmrSILS iuBXYQM4DyAjQ52rDHRn9DNTgjUdjVYGhI0M4rIDzydZZJMqL2QLW9ImWkofggbXOUhy 72UFahEoQUsBzBvlvJJMugFULKQLCQeRVfx4noI1w70RS0ffXroNn1wVDSkSI3TBOhWt x4g5ZAJ+yP9lU/mWEyv+EeTeJOc2mSiPqsP0D57HX1UaAIQkXzxKjOfWsycYRJYEzW4i vLFvHJCJXJCbovFNjYtI5KAE6tbcU9HMXrXW3NKEkP9Nw5XSqsX16FrAemreAJKSTLmg Dv4Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WwXXPAKlDiX+aYlgaGfTst6bGnYJ4omjzkL+sCpmnrU=; b=doWp68mNnQ2xkfQ97Bw/y4WqMreTmxaPlZqKGoxLekxLIUoeJqLeeVmA4G1llgUIzJ fK8HnfcTyG6jVQHcvwMFAh1+Y8gIoNhSWUt6JG4JUwjlo00r5muigOmyOsGhlfxhGpC+ h1MddeU6U5RdhhFcnIK6ABzdvdr4Sd2z5hryJAFDYf7cDyb/VNX+F4CJ8ejjENIp2haY cJIOCjX+WmTdqcRlBxs3UkA19TazZyV5kdTYDZQ0kGqSYWDU8q+zXckTClZN1ASvpAjm DjVpipa54bhi5eo21F9Afyn2lF9bd7mdZ2abP41YZC2g4r17sZCXzCHIehbVnefqSE+y a2zA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533tjbBpWTDYYNXb6ASc7uJeD6K5HptOQVi1VfttN54RzZ3bPr6S MQJXEnskmvCwbNN7U+7chqrD7Oif+CBWgtk/q+yTInuR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxRvrbqsNfDayTy1yQ8el4eNkHFw/3YobkpP64DajswNR5WFNiOKNeNKhhMlNfY5mBoh0IN7AKNVo7UCVgOWrg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:b10:: with SMTP id s16mr2089985oij.95.1598458722130; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200826094948.333c67b0.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:18:05 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: diff is a little diff -- erent To: Doug Denault Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bc9yr2xBkz4Dj1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=P0WgQgUO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.939]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.089]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::235:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:18:45 -0000 On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 6:46 PM Doug Denault wrote: > On Wed, 26 Aug 2020, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 01:30:38 -0400 (EDT), Doug Denault wrote: > >> I do wonder why. Who is going to go to the effort to build/install > "base" > >> commands as various options are removed/changed? I can't wait to see > what > >> happens to cp, grep, find, and awk. > > > > If I remember correctly, grep already is BSD grep (with GNU grep > > being available via ports collection), and the same for awk (and > > gawk respectively). In most cases, the base commands implement > > the set of standard features, while the GNU commands have certain > > GNU extensions added which the standard does not require or even > > specify. This, and the licensing terms (BDSL / GPL) that apply. > > > Thanks, a perfectly reasonable response to my less than reasonable post. > Lost in my histrionics was my question. We have morphed from, "I will not > stop you from doing something stupid ..." to We are going to take away > some options that have been there for 25 years (that I know of) because > "?-----?". Having the blank filled in is what I was going for. > > After all these years I do not know which of the scores of commands I use > are GNU versus BCD. The man pages probably says but I have enough trouble > remembering all the options in ls, find, and awk that I use, much less > are they GNU or not. As written in /usr/src, the change seems rather > arbitrary. My 'real' question: is there a reason to make this change? > > _____ > Douglas Denault > http://www.safeport.com > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-217-9220 > Fax: 301-217-9277 > _______________________________________________ > > License of GNU software is GPL which is NOT a commercially usable license . For that reason , FreeBSD is clearing out the GNU software from its base system by replacing them with BSD licensed similar software developed by FreeBSD specialist volunteers without implementing unnecessary GNU extensions . To support FreeBSD user's operations using GNU software , such software parts are moved into ports which do not affect the license of base system usage . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk