From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 19 16:57:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DF116A4CE; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:57:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE9A43D39; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:57:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BmbSE-0001pf-00; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:57:30 +0200 Received: from [217.227.159.171] (helo=donor.laier.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BmbSD-0002V2-00; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:57:29 +0200 From: Max Laier To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:55:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040718184008.GC57678@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <20040719075952.GG57678@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <20040719.081356.51946167.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20040719.081356.51946167.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_3z/+AlCc2BpJr9+"; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407191855.19885.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:61c499deaeeba3ba5be80f48ecc83056 cc: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr cc: nsouch@free.fr cc: pjd@FreeBSD.org cc: zeratul2@wanadoo.es Subject: Re: some PRs X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:57:31 -0000 --Boundary-02=_3z/+AlCc2BpJr9+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 19 July 2004 16:13, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20040719075952.GG57678@darkness.comp.waw.pl> > > Pawel Jakub Dawidek writes: > : On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 12:58:25AM -0600, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : +> : Even if it is used by some programms, I don't see it in the base > : system. +> : It can be always implemented as a kernel module and > : maintained outside +> : the tree. > : +> > : +> Given that it is implemented in this driver in about 20 lines, I thi= nk > : +> that it makes sense to have it in the base. Suggesting it be > : +> maintained outside of the tree is just plain silly. It should be > : +> brought in or abadoned. > : > : It isn't even used by one of our 11000 ports and you want to bring it > : into base system? We don't have other devices in the tree, which are > : actually used by some ports. I still think, that if a port which is usi= ng > : /dev/full will be created, device should be maintained there. > : EOT. > > I guess my point is that that creates so much more work that it seems > like overkill. We often put things into the base system for > compatibility, but rely on out of system things for higher level > functionality. The question to me is, do we really want to support (read fertilize) such a= =20 stupid thing? Given the chance that once we do support it people will use i= t.=20 In my opinion it is bad to integrate something into base that we agree is=20 nothing one should ever have created (at least that's my reading of the=20 thread so far). I see no user-pessure for this. I do agree however, that suggesting to maintain something that cannot be do= ne=20 in userland outside the tree is not a good solution. Still, I feel like thi= s=20 is something that belongs into the linux compat code, at best (maybe behind= =20 an "option LINUX_STUPIDITY" ....) =2D-=20 /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News --Boundary-02=_3z/+AlCc2BpJr9+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBA+/z3XyyEoT62BG0RAoN0AJkBZ5eZCUQi1pAbYfO9Q0aiX13FMQCfce9B ymqXsIq22Znhv5bcfO2h7PI= =XBCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_3z/+AlCc2BpJr9+--