From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed May 23 15:52:57 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77240F105C1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 280D57108C; Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:6074::16:84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE51C739B; Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:55 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Philip Homburg Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , "K. Macy" , "A. Wilcox" , FreeBSD Current Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver Message-ID: <20180523155255.GF24664@FreeBSD.org> References: <201805222212.w4MMCdA9031937@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:52:57 -0000 --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:48:38AM +0200, Philip Homburg wrote: > >Also as the Moore's law curve flattens expect the life of these > >older, but not so old, machines to live quiet some time. I > >believe we are talking sandy bridge and earlier? If that is > >corret Sandy bridge is still a very viable system. >=20 > I noticed this lack of love for older systems recently.=20 >=20 > I wanted to use an older Dell server to test the 11.2 BETAs and RCs. >=20 > Turns out, you can't install FreeBSD using a USB stick image because the > BIOS only support MBR. No idea why MBR support was dropped for the USB im= ages. >=20 > In the end I had to find a CD burner, and after a couple of tries managed= to > install from CD. >=20 > After that, my ansible playbooks started failing because /boot/loader.con= f=20 > is absent if you boot from zfs in combination with MBR. >=20 > Pity. This older server hardware is great for trying out new releases, pl= ay=20 > with zfs, etc. The disc1.iso (as well as bootonly.iso and dvd1.iso) images are now built as hybrid images, supporting both MBR and GPT, as well as being written to a flash drive (like memstick.img) as well as a CD. MBR support was initially removed from the memstick installer, as it is not compatible with some UEFI implementations. (Or, at least that is my understanding, based on my limited intimate knowledge of UEFI.) Glen --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEjRJAPC5sqwhs9k2jAxRYpUeP4pMFAlsFjlYACgkQAxRYpUeP 4pN1iw/+JP5hVJglzq6xldtGrRbOHhhhce74/X15Vjg52/WkgCRLMoGedVNCK3xm KUmVRudZERzB+CT/At6Bbr65Nps96fmb85npAZbibv3e/rMhKV1+FSOSh79xbE+W wQjQH69hfyHZHZ5ak16X695+BaGbC5bVUiF2Nzl+SShKMqHhWl8UAUVVQRLWq7/9 M7kK3Jf/N/pRptImerRcAIpV0XJ8iCqezr6MbxB+WM4PKMFdJ0/9YE2vgWJhJMRC VnfZ1L+xcRTqniqxV7A6qP+gHXHclNckYTejn2kUHlZwZy3W8yb/y6XxdXmzSQBo Ew+EYG/H0TQFESjoqEe6N8UdkQqiWoHXaEGG+sBUF4/aULFgkKI7xsnLJf9Kylwj aTwzdckCUKC8mPcChtYU4ecwc1/O3YSiipAdnm1CID4Jt8jnZcc+5M9jUm2+TupK q9fRx8LjSL9keVC08Nce5VaOmEqp43nFdF7yL2aFAO9UdgDXg7o8JwoDcAqgx5xd lqhXTLYirXccyMhcQoRImZLkIvTnYAxeFHiCU6i7OfPrMft251dU78ZXm+RFZKSQ yrzsxkxZbhGn4XShdl+0Kzpl0Gps9a5ivTV4i+XEG2BNcuDSrHkHitm2237auVnX T2egQW7b73Wt1w7bpP5fFDd5mOyrcH6N+aJMdWVFBAt59PeqkC0= =rlUp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ChQOR20MqfxkMJg9--