From owner-freebsd-chat Tue May 5 03:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15449 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 03:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cc-server9.massey.ac.nz (cc-server9.massey.ac.nz [130.123.128.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA15411 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 03:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crh@outpost.co.nz) Received: from acme.gen.nz by cc-server9.massey.ac.nz id <20754-0@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz>; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:18:15 +1200 Received: from officedonkey by acme.gen.nz with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0yWU7F-0028ziC; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:53:45 +1200 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Craig Harding Organization: Outpost Digital Media Ltd To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:42:40 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Junk Buster (was Re: cvs commit: ports/www/ijb - Imported source Reply-to: crh@outpost.co.nz References: <19980504050129.52485@follo.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm interested in this thread. I think, Eivind, where you're coming from is that, as a developer of web-content, your business model is based on the existing model of WWW interaction. People surf web, people look at pages, people see ads on pages while they're looking at other stuff, and the ads pay for the pages' creation and ongoing upkeep. The problem is, and why I think you're feeling so threatened, is that this isn't necessarily the One True Business Model for the Net. It may be the dominant model for commercial WWW sites at the moment, but that's merely as a result of random circumstance. You have the right to feel threatened, but I think your grounds for arguing a *moral* right are very shaky indeed. It's possibly that Net-related law could evolve to the point where what you perceive as a right to have your pages displayed with all ads intact becomes protected by the courts. But I'd consider this sort of legislation a sad day indeed for the Net. Actual copyright lawyers may argue differently, but I think such a legal argument would be difficult to win with today. Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > If TV and Radio stations sold advertising the way you do nobody > would advertise as the statement 'we -think- your add will be played > 5 times a day but aren't quite sure.' would be highly offensive to > the people buying advertising space from you. Actually, the way TV & radio stations sell advertising is a lot less deterministic than counting ad hits on web pages. It's way, way, way less scientific and the media advertising industry only works through a vast consensual hallucination - the radio or TV station state that their survey figures actually mean something, and the ad agencies and advertisers choose to believe that the TV & radio stations say. For example, TV stations will tell you that people actually do watch TV commercials, yet when university marketing departments do actual consumer research they find that when ad breaks come on, people go to the toilet, make a coffee, surf channels, mute the sound, have a conversation, make a snack, read a newspaper, almost anything but actually watch the commercial. And yet no-one believes the university researchers, because they can't afford to. A multi-billion dollar global industry would be under threat if the Emperor really was wearing no clothes. You're seeing exactly the same thing in Eivind's arguments. The WWW community can't afford to believe that there is an alternative model, or everybody goes out of business overnight. Hence it becomes a moral issue. -- C "we'll be right back, after this message from our sponsor" -- Craig Harding Head of Postproduction, Outpost Digital Media Ltd "I don't know about God, I just think we're handmade" - Polly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message