Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:23:40 +1100 From: jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au> To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Change in crypto policy in France Message-ID: <19990121182340.B9126@caamora.com.au> In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990121073646.asmodai@wxs.nl>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:46AM %2B0100 References: <19990121110151.C7737@caamora.com.au> <XFMail.990121073646.asmodai@wxs.nl>
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On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 07:36:46AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 21-Jan-99 jonathan michaels wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 11:23:01PM +0100, Ollivier Robert wrote: > >> According to jonathan michaels: > >> > on teh web .. i've just seen people say how bad it is .. could you > >> > explain what the wassenaar arrangement is and how it would be > >> > bad, please > >> > >> The main thing is that export for commercial usage/products is > >> restricted to the same level as in the USA (i.e. RC2/40, RC5/40 and so > >> forth). DES may be at 56 bits (not sure here). > >> > >> What is really delicious is that free software is not restricted > >> apparently. > > > > yes, this is teh bit i fond most interesting, all sorts of places are > > poping up and saying you cant do 'commercial' 'strong encryption', but > > you can give it away, as in freeware .. japan is teh most recent one, > > i;ve notices and only as part of teh ip6 thingies in the KAME project. > > > > interesting to see what happens next .. grin sortta > > And this last sentence is exactly why I am bringing it up again and again, > ad nauseum. Most European countries were having no restrictions whatsoever > and now we all of a sudden have a legal document which may get implemented > sooner or later, but nonetheless the fundaments for control lie there. > > And there should be no distinction between free and commercial software > regarding this issue. Cryptography and thus privacy and security are > constitutional rights and a prerequisite for the success of IPSec and other > relevant protocols. > > The main thing that's wrong about the whole issue is the one about the > first it was all free and now not anymore. How far is the step to add a > next entry into that Arrangement that will control every product, be it > free or commercial? Don't make the mistake of thinking it won't happen. Jeroen, i reprinted you responce in the hope that people will read it again and think about it again and again. here in australia it is not an issue, yet. because nobody has gone to gaol like mr zimmerman (sorry fro misspell) looked like he was going to. i suppose its like that in teh other places in europe, not including behind teh old iron curtin. it just cant happen say all teh peoples and teh techies who think that tehy know the internet say its not possible. what those people don't know is just how possible it is .. if teh govt says no crypto and implements teh same punishment as for crimes of sedition the sentance 20 years hard labour and no parol, this is currnt austrlian minimum sentance, tehy also sieze everytings that even remotely lookslike it mihgt have been a computer at some point in it existance. people ezpexially americans hide behind thier so called democratic society and that piece of paper that quarentee noting the govt wont allow. as you said and as people living in teh real world (eastern europe and all millirty dictatirships) know how easy it is fro teh govt to do just what it wants to do. here in australia we are knee jerking our way to an ever more police state in responce to blown compeletely out of proportion by teh television and newspaper media (in an effort to make thier 30 seconds more watched that somebodyelses, to sell one more newspaper than thier oppositon) generated 'crimewave'. america has already criminalised at a very fundamental level people meeting on teh street .. most of canada's french dominated procinces have similar laws, to protcet from teh threat of english take over by riot and disorder campaigns. > Don't make the mistake of thinking it won't happen. it is happening slow quietly and whn it comes time for teh govt to push over teh edge, thier won't be that many left stading to say, 'stop you cannot do that'. why, simply because everybody was safe in thier beds thinking it won't happen, it can't happen, as it is happeing all around them in so many small and almost unmoticeable ways .. the wess* arrangement is one such mechanism technology is moving so fast that we are all looking at laws cast for our future with eyes and understandings or wisdom that is firmely planted in teh past . not a good thing to my way of thinking. please ecsue the passion of my repsonce, i dont care about so called personal freedom, what i care about is govt destroying people who ask, why are you doing that mr president, prime minister, king, queen, head of state, etc, etc, etc. regards (maybe regarde would be more apropriate ?) jonathan pd, excuse my spelling i have several neurological defecits that make writing, spelling and reading very hard for me. -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia ===========================================================<jon@caamora.com.au> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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