From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 11:06:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94662B13B62; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 11:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etnapierala@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x241.google.com (mail-wm0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AC3A1150; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 11:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etnapierala@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x241.google.com with SMTP id l6so4098077wml.3; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=x1ymEBMHpeCsbf5v/d71FArGvW0OltRXNRg4APSZ/Mw=; b=Ir/Y5UbvpBfZBvmyHe3/NyqF4vBs9TQNg8hH/spVz42g5kDcabwQJX9eJHSpedw+Oj CqQFEinW/REnZqpblk+QCYc3oJfShFLQGRFynxcVJNLQ2hh42WRhHeMqWTrwLck1QTwe cBnMS8MddXzmfAyLEeQOXQL5UU5xUed1Gd2YAuLf2YO3fjdm6wtuFs8S2TWmJNML3toT kg9CryTDmHS+76PYaEYj1t+gMsEhuCIGhTQWXGSH62GIC48kyx7LiEKfAAuOulGJoG40 YMVMHeE2PC261xvKDPkGbaWx02BOweGVCbD+zMAzX1PJyIO6L5NofHtA1hdS3SyfS5T1 UvZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=x1ymEBMHpeCsbf5v/d71FArGvW0OltRXNRg4APSZ/Mw=; b=DBkH2Tg/+915t2RI9eeD+DX1OdOkp8mHvj5gt0mbTD3/4TZ5rudUBB8FPnH8Rm7P// EoeLdbcr3EXVkJYrQo2AvZYHEuDDWv0BDJOcboE43VfXXpQwvp+hTlzk6uMS86NCAmBF cUWIxnE9OzaDP503PyF44hvUFGIS2jxZ6oZb6GH9k4hBAJlnhZ+Sv/E2mjICCxOKDXRy ys31NKgXI2gjIPDhqFtJaEfjXXblVur3wj7/fFCMFM+fDXBYgMHDHenxuQmUwGtQR8fu +fG6482tAkZ/8ws89dFvyaciOhf3KDkO11QvorzcfEEgiTfxN4RaZxZfVna6rRTkQeiO Tlmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUGc8BZ8khaj1oFJhxl+upjQlJqE8jjBlo8nqv4pk+6vsVElU/tOYbVcDkklabZjA== X-Received: by 10.28.142.197 with SMTP id q188mr25052245wmd.52.1461063994829; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 04:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brick.home (abpy245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl. [83.8.66.245]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g141sm3780721wme.0.2016.04.19.04.06.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Apr 2016 04:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: =?UTF-8?Q?Edward_Tomasz_Napiera=C5=82a?= Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:06:31 +0200 From: Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82a?= To: Lev Serebryakov Cc: Glen Barber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160419110631.GD5543@brick.home> Mail-Followup-To: Lev Serebryakov , Glen Barber , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 11:06:36 -0000 [replying to random post] I have a weird feeling that the main problem with having a lot of packages is that people have bad experiences from other systems. But IMHO the root cause of those problems was not that you had a lot of packages - the root cause was that it was used by distro guys to strip basic functionality off from the system, forcing users and administrators to manually install stuff like scp(1), compiler toolchain, dozens of packages containing includes, or even the separate package with basic man pages. Now, in this case none of this is going to happen. FreeBSD base is staying the way it was. If you want to customize the system, you can do it in a sane way by removing packages, but you don't have to. As for the 'multipage "pkg info" output problem' - on the laptop I'm typing this on there are 1351 packages installed. Packaging base will increase it by about half. And then I'll be hopefully able to remove lpr(1) binaries that conflict with CUPS. And sendmail.