From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 4 18:30:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E635837B401 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A03C43ED1 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14881; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 19:30:27 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104192614.02929470@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:30:24 -0700 To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD's use of GCC (Was: Bystander shot by a spam filter.) Cc: Terry Lambert , Cliff Sarginson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20lm20poce.m20@localhost.localdomain> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104112345.02a48b70@localhost> <200212312041.gBVKfr183480@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <20030101140530.GA11468@raggedclown.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104112345.02a48b70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:00 PM 1/4/2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >Let's hope it doesn't NEED breaking, because it WON'T be. Enough people >have either bought into the copyleft mind-set or at least agreed to >publish that way, that we have no reasonable choice but to accept the >fact that much of the software we use will be copylefted. People said the same thing about Microsoft and other closed source products only a few years ago. We're gradually getting out from under the thumb of Microsoft's monopoly, and GPLed software isn't dug in as deep as Microsoft is. We CAN break the GPL's hold on the BSDs and the non-Microsoft world in general. >I'd much rather see a good almost-free GUI library than a better open >source compiler. Another area where the GPL needs challenging. KDE and GNOME are competing to be *the* GPLed solution; we need a challenger that's truly free. >I remember reading that he was very prolific and nothing about him >turning out good code -- just code that worked. That qualifies as >"master coder" in MY mind. A master plumber or electrician is NOT one who turns out a lot of bad work that sort of works. Ditto for coders. If I didn't care about quality, I could churn out a LOT more code than I do. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message