From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 18 21:43:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A977516A4CF; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rrcs-midsouth-24-172-16-118.biz.rr.com [24.172.16.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC8143D48; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:43:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) i7ILgOGj056971; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:42:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Eric Anholt In-Reply-To: <1092865107.899.146.camel@leguin> References: <20040818095933.GA67190@ip.net.ua> <1092858808.899.22.camel@leguin> <20040818202259.GG16055@ip.net.ua> <1092865107.899.146.camel@leguin> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VkdeKWXqWsEPirOWi9mU" Organization: MarcusCom, Inc. Message-Id: <1092865395.721.48.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:43:15 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com cc: ports@freebsd.org cc: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: X.org, firefox, and bitstream-vera X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:43:07 -0000 --=-VkdeKWXqWsEPirOWi9mU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 17:38, Eric Anholt wrote: > On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 13:22, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 12:53:29PM -0700, Eric Anholt wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-08-18 at 02:59, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > Hi Eric, > > > >=20 > > > > Last Saturday, I've upgraded all of my ports on my 5.2-CURRENT > > > > notebook, including switching to X.org. Everything went fine, > > > > except I now get insane large fonts when browsing www.FreeBSD.org, > > > > for example. I tracked it down to the bitstream-vera port which > > > > is a runtime dependency of the x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype. > > > > I was wondering, is there any real need for this dependency? > > >=20 > > > bitstream-vera has been part of the X distribution since XFree86 4.3.= 0.=20 > > > Instead of using the distribution-supplied bits (which should be exac= tly > > > the same), I used our existing port. You're the second person to rep= ort > > > this issue with www.freebsd.org and bitstream-vera, but it's also wha= t I > > > use and I don't see any problems. Not sure what to say here. > > >=20 > > bitstream-vera is not installed with the XFree86 meta-port, > > the fact that it's installed with the xorg meta-port is the > > change in behavior. My setup is very plain and standard. > > On a 4.x machine, I have XFree86-4.4.0,1 (no bitstream-vera). > > On a 5.x machine, I have xorg-6.7.0_1 (with bitstream-vera). > > I also have the following fonts installed, on both machines: >=20 > That's very odd. They're integrated into imake, and they're built by > default in the monolithic X builds. I'd blame our packaging. >=20 > > cyr-rfx-koi8-o-1.1 > > mozilla-fonts-1.0_1 > > webfonts-0.21_1 > >=20 > > On 4.x, I get the English and Russian versions of the FreeBSD > > website displayed in a similarly sized font. On 5.x with > > bitstream-vera, Russian version is still displayed with the > > same "normal" (in my definition of normal) sized font, while > > the English version is rendered by enlarged font from the > > bitstream-vera collection. When I remove bitstream-vera, > > everything is back to normal. > >=20 > > Can you do this for me? Please visit the www.FreeBSD.org's > > main page, visually remember the font size, then temporarily > > move /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/bitstream-vera to another > > directory so it's not found by fontconfig, restart X and > > browser (I'm using firefox) and visit the page again. Can > > you see the difference in the size? >=20 > I went ahead and took screenshots. > http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/vera.png > http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/novera.png > http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/none.png >=20 > The three in order are my normal desktop with bistream-vera, webfonts, > and the standard X set, mozilla with vera taken out, and mozilla with > the webfonts removed too. There's definitely a size difference, but not > "insanely large," which made me think of a bug I've seen in the font > handling in mozilla, that I've never tracked down. Of the three, I far > prefer FreeBSD.org's look when using vera. But this is just personal > taste. If you want to have programs prefer other fonts, you can edit > /usr/X11R6/etc/fonts/local.conf to prefer another font set. See > fonts.conf for examples, but you're not supposed to modify that one. The are also some example sections on modifying local.conf in the handbook. I just updated that section yesterday to fix the antialiasing sample so that it works with new versions of Mozilla. I've heard some others complain of "huge fonts," but I myself have not seem them. I use, and have used, a combination of web fonts and vera for a long time now, and have yet to see a problem. Joe --=20 PGP Key : http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc --=-VkdeKWXqWsEPirOWi9mU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBI81zb2iPiv4Uz4cRAkIXAJ4ikIXrUDF3XeQqe8PlOgHLWil0YQCfVQ0j Yj+cwyaFyxqVzQXKTlNTssg= =S1ra -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-VkdeKWXqWsEPirOWi9mU--