From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 21 10:13:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B1237B422 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22120; Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000821110604.04ba5920@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:11:53 -0600 To: j mckitrick , The Clark Family From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Gimme FreeBSD anyday! Cc: David Kelly , narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000821144137.D13975@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <200008151718.e7FHIbb13082@mail.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:41 AM 8/21/2000, j mckitrick wrote: >i just read a comment that *nix doesn't even have good, intuitive debugger. >all there really are are wrappers for ancient command line utils. this does >not seem very state of the art compared with vc++ or softice. Unfortunately, the GPLed combination of GCC and gdb has killed any initiative toward new and better compilers and debuggers on UNIX-like platforms. Even if a product is obviously superior, it will have great difficulty competing with something that's given away for free. Few developers have even tried, and those who have (like Metrowerks) are not succeeding. This is a big problem with the GPL. It doesn't allow commercial vendors to make INCREMENTAL improvements on what is available for free and be compensated for doing so. Instead, they must undertake the daunting task of a ground-up reimplementation. And when they're done, who will pay for their work? The market is decimated or gone altogether. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message