From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Feb 16 11: 6:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134C537B503 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) id f1GJ5Yw01853; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200102161905.f1GJ5Yw01853@earth.backplane.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Murray , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Wish List (was: Re: The /usr/bin/games bikeshed again)) References: <200102161835.f1GIZOB29603@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> I'll collect all the responses from the list together and put together :> a comprehensive list, then post it tonight. : :Please move Sendmail to ports. People should have a choice of which :MTA they want to use. Sendmail should not have any special status when :compared to other MTA's in ports. Qmail and postfix are quite popular :too and they are in ports. : :BIND: There is a growing groundswell in favour of djbdns. People :should have a choice. Once again if they choose djbdns, BIND takes up :space that could be used by other software on the disk. Economy. I have to disagree. Our base system must be operational without forcing people to install certain ports. We need a working bind and a working mail subsystem in the base system. We can let people turn it off, but we can't shift these to ports. In regards to djbdns... as much as I aplaud security-centric designs, the djbdns code is virtually unmaintainable -- unformatted, uncommented, and a mess. Despite his essentricities Paul Vixie and the code he produces is a whole lot easier to work with. I'd rather wait for Bind-9 to stabilize and then move the base system to that then to shift to djbdns. (I'll add these to the list under 'extremely controversial', which they are). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message