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Date:      Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:33:25 +0100
From:      "Jamie Heckford" <jamie@tridentmicrosystems.co.uk>
To:        <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Cc:        rwatson@freebsd.org
Subject:   RE: Mixing fBSD 4 and 5 - NFS ACL's
Message-ID:  <099D8730F34B9A41B598D18F763555FA09E94C@exchange.trident-uk.co.uk>

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Thanks Matt, I'll have a look at GEOM gate but will most likely have to
wait for the NFS support.

If anyone needs any help testing the NFS Server work I'll be more than
happy.

Jamie=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Seaman [mailto:m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk]=20
Sent: 11 October 2004 11:10
To: Jamie Heckford
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Mixing fBSD 4 and 5 - NFS ACL's

On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 10:45:07AM +0100, Jamie Heckford wrote:

> I need to use the new ACL feature on one of our servers..... However=20
> the data doesn't reside on the server that its being served from it is

> mounted via NFS.
>=20
> Im guessing I will need to install fBSD5 on the two servers I want to=20
> use ACL on, but will the other fBSD4 servers still be able to use NFS=20
> ok (they don't need to use ACL)??
>=20
> Guess the question is can fBSD4 machines use fBSD5 NFS servers ok, and

> also, how stable is / does ACL even work between to fBSD5 machines=20
> using NFS?


See
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-October/039747.h
tml
under the 'Desired Features for 5.3-RELEASE' section:

 |                  |             |                | Currently, MAC
|
 |                  |             |                | protections are
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 |                  |             |                | enforced only on
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 |                  |             |                | locally originated
|
 |                  |             |                | file system
|
 |                  |             |                | operations (VOPs),
|
 |                  |             |                | and not on RPCs
|
 |                  |             |                | generated via the
|
 |                  |             |                | NFS server.
|
 | MAC support for  |             |                | Improvements in NFS
|
 | NFS Server       | Not done    | Robert Watson  | server credential
|
 |                  |             |                | handling are
|
 |                  |             |                | required to correct
|
 |                  |             |                | this problem, as
|
 |                  |             |                | well as the
|
 |                  |             |                | introduction of new
|
 |                  |             |                | entry points to
|
 |                  |             |                | properly label NFS
|
 |                  |             |                | credentials and
|
 |                  |             |                | perform enforcement
|
 |                  |             |                | properly.
|


So the only possibility for ACL support over NFS is going to be a 5.x
release, but seeing as it hasn't been included yet, probably not
5.3-RELEASE.

One possible route around that would be to use GEOM Gate -- that's a
system rather like iSCSI or Linux's DRDB, where the server exports a
disk device, rather than a filesystem.  This is a standard part of 5.x
now, and will be in 5.3-RELEASE, but it's still very new, so test
carefully before putting it onto important servers.

See:=20

=20
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-May/026768.html

=20
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dggatec&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0=
&manp
ath=3DFreeBSD+6.0-current&format=3Dhtml

=20
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dggated&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0=
&manp
ath=3DFreeBSD+6.0-current&format=3Dhtml

=20
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dggatel&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0=
&manp
ath=3DFreeBSD+6.0-current&format=3Dhtml

A FreeBSD 4.x machine should quite happily use a 5.x machine as a NFS
server.  FreeBSD 4.x has no support for GEOM Gate though.

	Cheers,

	Matthew

--=20
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