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Date:      Tue, 28 May 2013 08:44:22 +0800
From:      Martin Wilke <miwi@FreeBSD.org>
To:        John Marino <freebsdml@marino.st>
Cc:        ports@freebsd.org, RW <rwmaillists@googlemail.com>
Subject:   Re: The vim port needs a refresh
Message-ID:  <E0E4B885-A7C4-4FF7-80D6-CE6CA25D89FC@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <51A3F3F8.4030505@marino.st>
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On the first note, complain about the patches to the upstream, not to =
us. This patches problem has been around since forever and so long the =
upstream
is not changing anything about it, nor do we. About rolling your own =
distfile, I completely disagree because we do not know what the =
maintaner has changed,
and seeing it from the security view, I prefer to get all my patches =
from the original mirrors.

- Martin

P.S. This is solely my personal view and does not reflect the official =
portmgr's stand.

On May 28, 2013, at 8:02 AM, John Marino <freebsdml@marino.st> wrote:

> On 5/28/2013 01:48, RW wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2013 01:13:43 +0200
>>> No.  That's not what those words mean.
>>> Please stop assuming that somebody builds Vim repeatedly and start
>>> assuming it's built for the very first time.
>>=20
>> Why wouldn't I? Are you seriously suggesting that it's the norm to =
build
>> a port once and then never build it again?
>=20
> 1. Yes, that can happen.  I'm working on some servers with 1600 days =
uptime (should be 2300 days but the data center relocated them a few =
years ago) and most of the software on them is from 2007.
>=20
> 2. Every software built from source is built "the first time" on each =
server.
>=20
> 3. It is nice to cater to new users.
>=20
> 4. It's good practice to target the lowest common denominator
>=20
>=20
>> They add up to 3 MB which is noticeable to someone on dialup even
>> when compressed. Ordinarily, it wouldn't matter, but as I said before
>> VIM is something that could be part of a very minimal build - =
something
>> that might be maintained even over very slow dial-up.
>=20
> If you are going to use dialup as an example, then it's much, much =
worse to download them all individually.  Unless you're building vim =
repeatedly and often, the opportunity for double-downloads isn't that =
high.  If it's a real worry then the 100-patch rollups would be better =
than the full aggregates.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> Some people may find ftp faster or more reliable - it depends on your
>> circumstances.
>=20
> That's not my experience but for the sake of argument I'll accept the =
point.  It still seems like overkill though.
>=20
>=20
>>> It validated my story as more than anecdotal.
>>=20
>> No it didn't because I already told you that there unreliable servers
>> then.
>=20
> That doesn't invalidate what I said.  You can't assume everyone =
portsnaps daily.  A commit in January might not trickle down for months. =
 All you can say is, "yes, that was the case but a PR was written =
against it and since closed, please try again with a current port tree". =
 Plus I think you said it after I told the story.
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>=20

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With best Regards,
       Martin Wilke (miwi_(at)_FreeBSD.org)

Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest




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