From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 10 08:30:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CD11065674; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avleen@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1558FC14; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbon10 with SMTP id n10so21381471lbo.13 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:30:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nts9DYM7KgDeDMwI1sIQ+GaXc8Mt64/nRCR0GE8H974=; b=M28dPCKO8gB5pL7JdjNquIBD7nw6oTBEtUiZytjiIjfSI4ZXvwo+Exiv6SeUu8vKJA ilutFdNiNXkBqn/a+04JTG5BaDGzuLF8Pl6cdBb+BK4p/CM/MaxTrQnw2naPq6RGe+mC EsN/9SL389aOaZKsd0Epqnst7PLgr70W1e3OBQo6oWCWrxERSg5ebaH6e5gMR83XqBPl g6rMNTlNgsib7/9oDKB3cqQnWtq98wquACUxIOA8iz5idXsLOGCgxQ06j6PqOe3d57iH aPkLcM4zOLWY6ZxTkcDlf7O7p0FT8n5/rkl1WnafhWhNN2RJP/stXFeOh1uXdS6ALEk0 lpoA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.122.9 with SMTP id lo9mr44025090lab.41.1341909014854; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.76.225 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:30:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FFBD753.6050105@FreeBSD.org> References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> <4FFB46A4.5050504@FreeBSD.org> <4FFB6D37.1040300@m5p.com> <4FFBD753.6050105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Avleen Vig To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:15:53 +0000 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, George Mitchell Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:30:17 -0000 On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> But I think you are wrong about this one aspect of your >> proposed change. To discover that "dig" is suddenly not in the base >> FreeBSD system any more some day would be just about the worst >> violation of the Principle of Least Astonishment for me in many >> years. > > All flippancy aside, I understand what you're saying here. The problem > is that we can't keep BIND in the base. Given that, we need to look at > how best to handle the transition. This is essentially what I was trying to get at :-) The proposed solution of `dig` and `host` returning "These tools can be installed through the bind-utils port, or you can use `drill`" I think would be sufficient. Having them simply disappear would be terrible, but stubs would make this possibly the least painful thing.