From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 25 22:48: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from atkielski.com (atkielski.com [161.58.232.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBB937B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by atkielski.com (8.11.6) id g0Q6lu863584; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:47:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c1a635$636a4170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: References: <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <20020123114658.A514@lpt.ens.fr> <20020123223104.SM01952@there> <3C4FBE5C.2AE8C65@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020124213809.00e6e5d0@localhost> <20020125131659.GB7374@hades.hell.gr> <3C51CD33.4E69B204@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Why dual boot? Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:47:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dual-boot configurations are really not necessary today. Even the cheapest second-hand PC will run FreeBSD quite nicely, so there isn't any reason not to run it on a separate, dedicated machine. If you need both Windows and FreeBSD, just use one machine for each. Additionally, no production system can be a dual-boot system, since production systems by nature are up 24 hours a day. I've never run multiple-boot configurations on any machine. Nowadays there is no significant cost advantage, and it's a real pain to stop the system and reboot each time you want to use one system or the other, and getting both systems configured to boot on a single hardware configuration can be problematic. Additionally, I prefer that the FreeBSD machine be _pure_ FreeBSD, and that the Windows machine be _pure_ Windows. Finally, when you have two machines running simultaneously, you can use both operating systems as intended: Windows for the desktop, and FreeBSD as your server. My FreeBSD system handles e-mail, prototyping of my Web site, DNS, and so on, for example. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Lambert" To: "Giorgos Keramidas" Cc: "Brett Glass" ; "chip" ; "David Schultz" ; "f.johan.beisser" ; Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 22:25 Subject: Why dual boot? > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2002-01-24 21:40:17, Brett Glass wrote: > > > At 07:21 AM 1/24/2002, chip wrote: > > > >I think I'll do a dual-boot setup just for the experience. > > > Friends don't let friends dual-boot. > > > > True, I don't let my friends dual boot. > > Of course, this ignores the fact that most people *must* use > Windows for certain tasks, because the software for those > tasks is simply *nonexistant* in FreeBSD. > > My own recent dual-boot setups were because it was either > that, or purchase two more Windows XP systems when I had > need of standard clients, that I expected customers to be > using, to test against the software I'm in the process of > developing. > > I think the most common case of a new FreeBSD user is one > who is going to "try out FreeBSD" with some of the free > space on their (probably new) computer. For this to work > out in FreeBSDs favor, the fear-factor has to be removed, > which is that you can undo the FreeBSD installation once > it has been done, and that you won't trash your Windows XP > (or other Windows) system. > > The problem with this process right now is that the reason > for fear is very real. As my experience demonstrated, > though, it's very real no matter what OS you are going to > try to install to "try out". Nevertheless, we can expect > that any reduction in the rate of "try out" is going to > reduce FreeBSD adoption by new users, proportional to its > current market share. > > This is a real concern. > > It's really tempting to call Microsoft on some of thier > recent engineering to lock people into a Windows world, > particularly since the Tunney comment period on the > settlement is still open. But that coses on Monday, and > I rather think that a well-thought-out argument would take > more effort than most peope think it's worth. 8-(. > > Requiring Windows XP to include a repartitioning facility; > they already have the defragger code, and the partitioning > code (the former is there in the disk properties, the latter > in the installation) to take the fear out of it. > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message