From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Nov 6 13:50:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6DA1B66EE for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com (mail-wm1-x32b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 477SbH5XvSz47MN for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g8kbvdave@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id q70so3520455wme.1 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=5j4CsEu3nsSMl2a+ZyJDYtNYAjD0rGXSvYgsAtcQ180=; b=tkC8uqsKBJzfJ5EROLqAs80hVJtZLzc37AIPWzO7y0XzQaMTiF/Z4xBW08E3tPZkFY /1/SEXK4YVgkuPBkwDS2dFHeXjluAY96KNIodpTFklwRFbKA0cGJAruohkDF+jlnlFxJ rX1uAkdX4Ronw/gPEpMICsfESYrev0vMnhRYLDXWxTFQE+DsG/RMfQlyMENul28y77qd T3dMQMGyF8dwRai/IGsIYdTHFao1v9V8RAWm6k6L1Sv+rqo5YXfzI5qAe/mV2IZCGQQR zqR8k7FgnGcPIAUnZcOOVmWwS1chlt582DN7Art1B//Bc1DVoMLZu3WZYbhaxgEbqatD rx+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXZ6zXdY2Q0Z1hkkrXGbYcj+8W7QC39kdqtyN3Lqqq4tZHK+W66 T+nQEXCI/YAuIYjArP4/4924jqcF X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy/lHNeL8QopU/2tw9YaUOmzJg73bDNlb2J+rjuIwgI6ijsDCy/f7zK1Iw4KXPl5tsANhlbdg== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c8c2:: with SMTP id f2mr2426106wml.99.1573048217726; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.55] ([217.41.35.220]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v10sm3157646wmg.48.2019.11.06.05.50.15 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2019 05:50:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 804, Issue 5 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Dave B Message-ID: <6a3990c6-9f2e-81b5-c0fe-7315fc831dfb@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:50:15 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 477SbH5XvSz47MN X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.12), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.77), asn: 15169(-2.01), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:50:20 -0000 If you search around, Win7 is far from comatose (let alone dead!) Within "Industry" (where stuff actually happens) Win7 is very much alive and kicking.  (Along with quite a bit of XP-embedded too!) The MS mantra of "contact your software vendor for updated versions compatible with Windows 10" is a pile of Bull*, when the company that made the product has gone, or been absorbed into another entity, who will not provide any such "upgrades", even if they have the ability.. I'm not sure, but I think to a certain extent, a lot of XP Embedded systems may still be in support for security updates (if anyone bothered or dared to connect them to the web)  If not, then Embedded versions of WIn7 will certainly have an extended support time too. Though personally I migrated away from Windows to Linux (I found BSD too clunky to use and CPU hungry for desktop use, where it could be installed.  Where as modern Linux's, just load and run with minimal effort, and are well understood, supported and stable.)  That was after the great W10 force-feeding saga, where they filled my C drive to the point that the system would not even boot.  DESPITE, their own compatibility trial saying that my combo' of CPU and GPU were not compatible with W10!.  (AMD and ATI-Rage+) I still have to use Windows (7 & XP) at work, but there is a move towards 10, just for corporate satisfaction, and that our IT people are of course looking to push it to us (for a fee of course, new hardware needed, they say.) Problem for many who do "engineering" stuff, is Win10's propensity to want to phone home all the time, plus updates wreck connectivity to some specialist (and not so special) I/O devices, needing a lot of time (and therefore) money to resolve.   And as for the privacy issues... Just so it is said, *BSD is great for servers, I have two NAS systems based on BSD under my wing, utterly solid and reliable too.  (Far more so, than the MS based servers in the same rack!) But I have to say, that for most people BSD is not an option for a desktop "daily driver", except perhaps in the form of an Apple MAC!   But how much time and money did Apple invest in getting it that way? Cheers All. Dave B. On 06/11/2019 12:00, freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org wrote: > "exfat" is certainly a good choice; however, I would not rule out NTFS > completely. Windows 7, while not EOL until 2020, is definitely > comatose. I don't don't know anyone still using it, especially since > Microsoft offered an easy and free upgrade path. -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software: