From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 31 14:17:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0AD106564A; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:17:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F918FC17; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (pD9E2FE1A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.226.254.26]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C1142E0BA; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:00:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C90A18C1C4; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:00:34 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=Leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1230732034; bh=qCmwI11Zv01kQZzHNzmFuWymbT3DBFz9x 8RvxZv6+hM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hoo72+yRlP9p5BnwwI9LQ+tSw4Cc72K9+kMx13wGOyWVrxZhww2u48morz5jWTO4s qnQdS51HmcZo3sLOf/Ik+pFbteZRHa8u5YgHf6NkxnytbQFtHJULtpNekHzrXmcmHdM SPU8GWe99AlgoW9ofdOCwrMqzFHr4Tnc4mKrzaLAe+E118cCRpqBtzN1gHXtbpX7sOl Gin+TNmSrgaiwsjZLBAlrYxI8e3oEr5b8+ie9ei/3MkJjCd1Pe4alSuOQFgNwj1F4M4 MDVRefBNsAHfEscN2nAt/hAdfp2xK9w1JnqUvCsP72gakv5E2vS9+c2RS5GScOi1LT4 byF5CiW+g== Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.3/8.13.8/Submit) id mBVE0XbF026734; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:00:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:00:33 +0100 Message-ID: <20081231150033.15001evgwyizs6jo@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:00:33 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Roman Divacky References: <200812121158.mBCBwRPT096820@svn.freebsd.org> <20081226234619.GT18389@elvis.mu.org> <1230336804.25666.11.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <20081227011017.GW18389@elvis.mu.org> <7d6fde3d0812261746g66d19d2clf646333cf9da5559@mail.gmail.com> <20081227092736.GA25457@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20081227092736.GA25457@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) / FreeBSD-8.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 0C1142E0BA.A6763 X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-13.927, required 6, BAYES_00 -15.00, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE 1.40, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10, SMILEY -0.50, TW_SV 0.08) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: alexander@leidinger.net X-Spam-Status: No Cc: src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Alfred Perlstein , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Garrett Cooper , Ken Smith , Ken Smith Subject: Re: svn commit: r185982 - head/usr.sbin/sysinstall X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:17:01 -0000 Quoting Roman Divacky (from Sat, 27 Dec 2008 =20 10:27:36 +0100): > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 05:46:12PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Alfred Perlstein =20 >> wrote: >> > * Ken Smith [081226 16:13] wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 15:46 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >> >> > Does this mean that the user has to find the "Linux" package in the >> >> > "add packages" area now? If so, that seems a bit complicated to >> >> > get started. There's a LOT of packages. Pardon if I'm =20 >> missing something >> >> > obvious here. >> >> >> >> Yes, sort of. I would say: not really. All linux ports are supposed to depend upon =20 the right infrastructure ports. So just installing an end-user linux =20 port (a.g. acroread) should pull in all the necessary stuff. I don't =20 see a huge need to special case "the linux package" (=3D linux_base-fc4 =20 ATM, at least form my point of view as one of the two persons taking =20 care about the linuxulator infrastructure in the ports collection). >> >> I've asked portmgr@ to help with setting things up so we've got a coup= le >> >> of new meta packages that help users set up a usable workstation >> >> relatively painlessly. They've said we can work together with the Gno= me >> >> and KDE folks to try and get that set up. I'm not sure at this point = if >> >> Linux emulation will be part of that or not, we haven't gotten quite >> >> that far yet. And we'll do something to make those meta-packages >> >> relatively easy to find. For example without something along those >> >> lines a user may just select the "gnome2" metapackage thinking they'll >> >> get a usable workstation but at least as of the last time I did >> >> something like that you don't quite wind up with a usable workstation >> >> (xorg-server is missing for example :-/). >> >> >> >> That said this has sort of been threatened for quite a while now, and >> >> having sysinstall not care about any packages before it hits what is >> >> currently its "Do you want to browse all the packages" section is need= ed >> >> if we're talking about not including pre-built packages with the relea= se >> >> itself and that sort of thing. We're just setting it up so all packag= es >> >> get treated as packages instead of some being intertwined in earlier >> >> phases of sysinstall. >> > >> > OK, that makes sense. Please track it though, it would be bad to wind = up >> > "hiding" Linux compat from users under a huge package selection. I think it would be better if people would go into more detail if they =20 talk about kldloading the linux module, or if they talk about =20 installing the linuxulator-userland-infrastructure (linux_base-XXX, =20 linux-x11-libs, ...). >> Yes, but it'd be nicer for linux compatibility to point to actual >> working linux emulators instead of long-defunct packages (the Redhat >> emulation package -- bleh). >> I'm all for improving the linux compat layer packaging -- thanks Ken! You should come over to emulation@, there's a major part of the linux =20 infrastructure ports work explained in the archives. Unfortunately I =20 haven't seen any message from Ken there regarding the issues he sees =20 with linux stuff. > we've switched to 2.6 emulation on default in -current so we are able to > use newer fedora distro. the problem here is that there is no release > freebsd with default 2.6 emulation, hence the default port stays at fc4 > > that's going to change To add a little bit on this: An update to add more recent fedora bits is waiting for the ports =20 slush to be over. When those bits have hit the tree, we can have a =20 look how to pick a more recent fedora release for systems where the =20 2.6.16 emulation is enabled or on by default. Nothing is set in stone =20 there as there's nothing in the ports tree to experiment with. BTW: Roman implicitly told above, that FC4 is the last Fedora release =20 which is able to work with our linux 2.4 emulation which we have in =20 all our releases. 8.0 will be the first release with 2.6.16 emulation =20 by default. AFAIK the *at() functions are not MFCed (and probably some =20 other important stuff), so apart from the POLA reason to not change =20 the default on a -stable branch, we also have a technical reason to =20 not enable 2.6.16 on 7-stable. Bye, Alexander. --=20 Gilbert's Discovery: =09Any attempt to use the new super glues results in the two pieces =09sticking to your thumb and index finger rather than to each other. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID =3D B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID =3D 72077137