From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Oct 16 11:39:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24423 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wwwi.com (root@voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24417 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cornelius (cornelius.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.20]) by wwwi.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29181 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:39:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:39:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199610161839.LAA29181@wwwi.com> X-Sender: jdw@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: "Jeffrey D. Wheelhouse" Subject: Re: IP bugs in FreeBSD 2.1.5 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 08:32 AM 10/16/96 PDT, Brian Smith wrote: >Some recent (and purposely unattributed) comments imply that the >FreeBSD developers actually owe the users something. I'm very sorry that you mistook my efforts at constructive criticism as complaints. If I weren't very happy with FreeBSD I wouldn't put it in the line of fire every day, and put my reputation on the line by recommending others do the same. I don't mean to imply that anybody "owes" anybody anything; the concept of "free" runs both ways. However, I do believe that a relatively small amount of effort (not a small amount of effort, just a relatively small one) could substantially improve FreeBSD for a lot of its users. That I cited specific examples should not be interpreted as "drop what you're doing and fix this" but more along the lines of any bug report, where the more information provided the better. FreeBSD _does_ have users, including plenty of people who install it off CD or FTP who have no idea how it works, much less how to contribute to it and improve it. It seems like one of the goals of the FreeBSD project is to increase the number of users. Based on my experiences as a FreeBSD user, and as a person who has to spend a lot of time thinking about what users/customers (including the whiny kind who won't be happy no matter what you give them) want, I'm just offering suggestions on how that might be accomplished. I'm sorry you felt the need to flame me (and others like me) for that. Later, Jeff