From owner-freebsd-perl@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 11 16:49:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-perl@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E92A77E; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:49:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrej.zverev@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oa0-x22e.google.com (mail-oa0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F79C1DE7; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h1so456307oag.33 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=YTqmizI7BOIGBVK8FSHoryAaY+/DM0u0NVtjj4UpZW8=; b=szWCT1YS97xwqOaIQxpB8a4qwNqWAY3jyFTJ+gMk6uzbRE+cYnN2ooJRW2ofQyyk86 yCfQmQD5893A1jiEKK/g/+PT6bkcPSCUu/uWbpATIA9uBvsvuIv4PP1KvPJe4sDVw6+R GBgnWK+lHDG9tNGnXH+i1F8BEzPKHpijOUdHOA/DCly90pGEWQsJtzKfvciGQubPKt4G 76kKQvWW80cnLUzQtKi6uGHIqAWoPJ3RaiE4p+SzrBeyp7pWPbA3/VmCv05Y/Vi9S18T sumhiQQUxHGW3Oz1RoLDpIDxbfdB+Rpd59M+VZgB73RHhAXedvsOq4Fg/iI+CT7MyVmk RzxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.72.170 with SMTP id e10mr12405720obv.62.1370969395820; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: andrej.zverev@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.144.34 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130611160222.GE35400@eborcom.com> References: <20130611151127.GD35400@eborcom.com> <20130611160222.GE35400@eborcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:49:55 +0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9as9Z9Tr4MmFwJh-UIBHRNB24Ac Message-ID: Subject: Re: announcement of future perl changes. From: Andrej Zverev To: Tom Hukins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-perl@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-perl@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: maintainer of a number of perl-related ports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:49:56 -0000 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tom Hukins wrote: > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 07:38:28PM +0400, Andrej Zverev wrote: > > I'm sorry but I don't get idea at all. Why do i need argue on > > perl5-ports? and I don't see how I'm trying to violate POLA. > > Can you explain in more details, please? > > Thank you for your quick reply. I apologise for my confusing reply. > I'll try to explain better: > > You propose replacing major.minor.patch with major.minor for Perl 5 in > FreeBSD's ports and packages. If this change makes sense, why > restrict it to these? Why not share it with perl users everywhere? > You asking me almost same thing like: if we change PREFIX for port, why don't share such information with other people. In reality I did not hack perl source code itself, all what i did is avaliable for all perl users (via configuration). Well, you can look at debian or fedora and maybe more distros which already done such trick. > > Furthermore, by restricting discussion to this list, and not > perl5-porters, you fail to validate your assumption that the patch > level of the version number will never include API/ABI changes. My patch only change directory (part of it) where perl will be installed. Every other aspects still remain (binary name and etc). perl5-porters don't need to be involved. > If > you haven't validated this assumption, what do you plan to do if it > turns out to be false? > tt > As for POLA, perl users everywhere will expect major.minor.patch > because it's how perl installs itself. If FreeBSD changes this for > ports and packages, we become a not-quite-perl ghetto that subtly > forks the standard distribution. > Hell no! :-) In your terms this mean we do violating POLA with every perl upgrade. > > I hope I have expressed my concerns better this time. > hope same from my side. I think that your fears are meaningless. This change can only lead to simplify all freebsd users life, but not inverse. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-perl@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-perl > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-perl-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >