From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Oct 4 16:16:52 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A91E3D053 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4436821F for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A97E6E3D052; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ECFE3D051 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mail.michaelwlucas.com (mail.michaelwlucas.com [104.236.197.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 716E56821E for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mail.michaelwlucas.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.michaelwlucas.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v94GGn80051990 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:16:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by mail.michaelwlucas.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v94GGnIs051989 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:16:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 12:16:49 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: portmaster, portupgrade, etc Message-ID: <20171004161649.GA51883@mail.michaelwlucas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.3 (2017-05-23) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.michaelwlucas.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.michaelwlucas.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 04 Oct 2017 12:16:50 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:16:52 -0000 Hi, I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic. Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book. Some reviewers beg me not to include it. Unfortunately, people will be reading af3e and considering it definitive for the next several years. So I have to get a feel for where things are going. :-/ I've read a couple threads on portmaster's current problems/growing pains and its looming difficulty with forthcoming flavors. I've been a happy portmaster user for many years now. All things being equal, if its future is still being debated I'm inclined to keep it in the book. Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple poudriere installs, but once you start covering it properly the docs quickly expand. My notes alone are longer than my af3e chapter limits. (I'll probably publish "FreeBSD Packaging Misery^WMastery" in 2018). Truly, I'm not looking to start a flame war here. I only want a bit of guidance on The Future... ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas https://mwl.io/ nonfiction: https://www.michaelwlucas.com/ fiction: https://www.michaelwarrenlucas.com/