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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.92)[ipnet: 40.64.0.0/10(-2.34), asn: 8075(-2.18), country: US(-0.08)]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[14.13.92.40.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:48:05 -0000 On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:51:47 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >On 03/01/2019 17:20, Carmel NY wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:00:36 +0000, Matthew Seaman stated: >> =20 >>> Nope. So long as you have Internet access available, then you can >>> use the 'Boot Only' disk image for FreeBSD 12 in exactly the same >>> way. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Matthew =20 >>=20 >> Thank you Matthew, I was worried that things had changed. I like >> installing from the net. Also, hopefully I am getting the latest >> versions, although that is probably not true. I know that Microsoft >> does that, but I am not really sure how FreeBSD handles it. >> =20 > >If you download the installer image for FreeBSD-12.0 then that's >exactly what you'll get as the base system: FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE. You >would then need to run freebsd-update(8) or similar after installation >to get any subsequently issued security or errata patches. > >By contrast, with pkgs you would always be getting the latest >available version available from the repository, although remember >that the default for a -RELEASE system is to use the quarterly package >set, so "latest available" could mean (at worst) "3 months behind the >current upstream version." Given that at the time of writing this >e-mail the 2019Q1 branch is only 3 days old, right now everything is >still pretty much up to date compared to the latest packages. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Matthew, I think you might have some say in how FreeBSD operates. When a user downloads a new version of FreeBSD, lets say version 12.0, they should get that version. Now, if there is a newer version, lets say version 12.1 of 12.2, or whatever, the user should be presented with the option of downloading the latest version. Microsoft does something similar, and I see no reason not to follow that trend. The user should be given the option. If there is a newer version available, why should the end user be handicapped? --=20 Carmel