From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Aug 12 17:58:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (chmls20.mediaone.net [24.147.1.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1188C37B40B for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leblanc@acadia.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from acadia.ne.mediaone.net (acadia.ne.mediaone.net [65.96.185.189]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7D0wjx01999 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from leblanc@localhost) by acadia.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29114; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:52:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:52:24 -0400 From: Louis LeBlanc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010812205224.B18654@acadia.ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <004701c12344$975bab00$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <004701c12344$975bab00$6501a8c0@ne.mediaone.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i X-bright-idea: Lets abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 08/12/01 11:36 AM, Greg McPherran sat at the `puter and typed: > > This is also to you Dave (Leimbach), > > I think it would increase sales in the store. I noticed that when > browsing the alternative OS section, the box and mascot did not have > the effect on me that perhaps you want it to have. Others must also > have the same reaction. I praise your team for the great work you do > delivering an excellent OS package. I was under the impression that > FreeBSD also encouraged people to purchase the boxed set to help > support your team. Not likely. If they don't care enough to find out what a mascot is supposed to represent, they likely won't care to read the frickin docs enough to get it installed. > 1.If you do encourage people to purchase the boxed set then I think my > idea will significantly increase sales just from a marketing point of > view. Wait a minute. Are you sure you're not in marketing?! I'm reminded of the Dilbert episode where he got a job at a better company that had no marketing dept. Once he mentioned it to the bosses, the company formed a marketing department and promptly went under. > 2. If potential FreeBSD advocates like me don't like it - why wouldn't > you consider changing it just out of consideration for others? My guess is that the primary focus was a dependable, reliable and rock solid OS, not a touchy feely PC marketing scam - sounds familiar though :). > Dave, thanks for the fun response - certainly the people involved in > FreeBSD are a great group. Now about that darn little devil :-) It's NOT a devil! It's a Daemon! Read the story! http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > ...... And as you seem to have suspected, I am a Christian (Roman > Catholic). We Catholics are a bit more easy going when it comes to the > well-intentioned use of symbols. But it's still a turn-off :-) What is I'm Roman Catholic too. I don't see a problem with it. I'm gonna stop there on that one for fear of turning this into a holy war. > it with you open/free software people - Richard Stallman has halos, a > church of Emacs, saint Ignucious, a shell called Bourne Again, and you > have a devil for a mascot. Then you tell me religion should be kept > separate from a OS? :-) I agree, or at least it should not poke fun or > mock beliefs. I have had several converstaions with Richard also :-) > That's all I'm saying - let's get the religious symbolism out of the > OSes. Alas, Why. I don't think this is poking fun at all. I think it speaks well that these people at least have spirituality on their minds. Besides, isn't religion the root of all symbolism? > I see I am going to have to take either Linux of FreeBSD > and make my own distro. That is one great thing about free software - > you can do that. Now, which should I use FreeBSD or Linux? I lean > towards FreeBSD but Linux seems to have more drivers. For example, I > have an HP 8230e external USB CD-Writer. Are there drivers for this > for FreeBSD? Do you know of any external USB CD-Writers that will work > with FreeBSD? So you want the FreeBSD group to write drivers for your distro after dissing their mascot? :) And I have to agree with the other posters that defended the FreeBSD site. I have found it easier to find what I need than any other OS centric site around Especially M$! Talk about Bloatware! Just try finding a driver for your CDR there! Try finding details, or a patch for that matter, on the security bug in LookOut 5.x that allows man in the middle attacks when the client sets CRL verification in internet options, and there is a cert name/domain mismatch. I found and reported that bug a year ago. Only MS2k isn't susceptible. But of course Code Red has that covered. Thank you bill! I'd rather use something that works. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc leblanc@acadia.ne.mediaone.net Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://acadia.ne.mediaone.net ԿԬ The Illiterati Programus Canto 1: A program is a lot like a nose: Sometimes it runs, and sometimes it blows. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message