From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed May 15 14:32:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DC1159336F for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B9C8DBE6 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id ED0F2159336A; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5AC1593368; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-f54.google.com (mail-lf1-f54.google.com [209.85.167.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5543D8DBDE; Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-f54.google.com with SMTP id y10so9570lfl.3; Wed, 15 May 2019 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q2skSffZtfo+RM9AdGna71az9dWIc1aqxTmw/BajE94=; b=g8GcZJNujHfwabbOY5aj5b9G1PC6fByBvmQdc6n5l5ZRUz4ftperKkNeE/C5sdNHib AywNENHKuE5p2bsffqW/MAgPW1QQSpXl7KcbP4xJix6O7zfaIZwOXpM5GBHoz7T+sSz3 4ZIN1rmRiml4B46sIJfRLl9HDJCyIPG5px+nRMJaTEKypeAOvF71xRICQSIoWlJmXqgQ 2cVM+K7EGOvQU/p8MIWmSPVdM3DUaCGOvtWJfES5SaQzvcMICWe0xn6QloQl9q9q4+zS JRP65NBL7FnpdVpnisbRV1or55o9uNmxXNWt7SncifAQDtqSYhDCxR+JTzKrJsqqH3I7 Rm1g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVSof8wOGgT2KKjYA+pr3n8th76/jfl0pQVJU4/CKCEGtlZknzr 1Kw1gk1vnRUJ2QVz6w/EsoWypiMorqWgwe7jEMFUqpQN X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzFs9TjC4aLSUKPq6L4seAhBhlqimhnIycqOcE9ojTDQzhPWdKQitz4pj3D51bdhITX+dWhuRd7BBpeJRXAAwE= X-Received: by 2002:a19:5015:: with SMTP id e21mr21251288lfb.62.1557930758725; Wed, 15 May 2019 07:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201905151425.x4FEPNqk065975@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201905151425.x4FEPNqk065975@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Alan Somers Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 08:32:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: FreeBSD Core Team , FreeBSD Stable ML , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5543D8DBDE X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 14:32:48 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:26 AM Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Hi core@, > cc hackers@ & stable@ > > PR headline : "FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins." > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2019-May/date.html > > Volunteers who contribute actual fixes are very much appreciated; > But those styled as 'management' who delay announcements to batch floods > damage us. As they've previously refused to stop, it's time to sack them. > > Just send each announcement out when ready, no delays to batch them. > No sys admins can deal with 8 in 3 mins: > Especially on multiple systems & releases. Recipients start > mitigating, then more flood in, & need review which are > most urgent to interrupt to; While also avoiding sudden upgrades > to many servers & releases, to minimise disturbing server users, > bosses & customers. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux Unix, Munich Aachen Kent > http://stolenvotes.uk Brexit ref. stole votes from 700,000 Brits in EU. > Lies bought; Groups fined; 1.9 M young had no vote, 1.3 M old leavers died. I disagree, Julian. I think SAs are easier to deal with when they're batched. True, I can't fix the first one in less than 3 minutes. But then I probably wouldn't even notice it that fast. Batching them all together means fewer updates and reboots. -Alan