From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 17 00:34:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEBA16A4CE for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5FB43D39 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:34:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-160-208-232.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.160.208.232]) by pi.codefab.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0H0YE71077136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EB0879.1090402@mac.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:36:09 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Buelow References: <20050115210617.A20158@starfire.mn.org> <20050116041626.GB13042@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41E9F612.5030901@taborandtashell.net> <20050115233404.B20530@starfire.mn.org> <20050116060442.GA847@osiris.chen.org.nz> <41EA0B3F.3030209@incubus.de> <41EAA854.1040500@mac.com> <41EAFA51.8090207@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <41EAFA51.8090207@incubus.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.5 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on pi.codefab.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need a cuppa... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:34:19 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: > Chuck Swiger wrote: >>> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect. >> >> This is untrue. >> The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple > > When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, > Solaris. That's what I meant. Whatever. If you've got a Mac, you could go to: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/ ...only, you don't need to since Java 2 already comes with every MacOS X system. >>> Java is as proprietary as it gets. (Unfortunately many of us need it.) >> >> Nonsense. While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open >> than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included. > > Proprietary is proprietary. [ ... ] If you choose not to see any distinction between software which is freely available and comes with source code, and between other forms of software which neither comes with source nor is free, fine. -- -Chuck