Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:47:07 +0430 From: Javad Kouhi <javad.kouhi@gmail.com> To: "Danilo G. Baio" <dbaio@freebsd.org> Cc: Hiroki Sato <hrs@freebsd.org>, freebsd-translators@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Self-introduction: Javad Kouhi Message-ID: <CA%2Bg814eqv9JAwsSP4OdY47L2f%2BkjQ=VNf%2B1oYUY2TGkBMjP%2BvA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200331204305.gyq2mlh4mv7lykob@t480.local> References: <CA%2Bg814e5=ipStdmvPFhPaDUprmnaOapcMb1xS9fcFNCA5Y9fQQ@mail.gmail.com> <20200331.124527.1078840241867193092.hrs@FreeBSD.org> <20200331170132.gyjlo7nel3cajidf@t480.local> <20200401.035204.1608271793023335727.hrs@FreeBSD.org> <20200331204305.gyq2mlh4mv7lykob@t480.local>
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Hello and thank you for the replies. > Could I suggest starting with small documents, like > articles/leap-seconds or articles/ipsec-must ? I'll prepare a small article, so we would have something to start with, will let you know when I'm finished. > The UI is doing something because the string is saved differently in the > repository: > https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/weblate/2020-03-31-093415_747x699_scrot= .png The UI is showing the code in RTL format. In this form, the Persian text is shown correctly, but the tags are not. On the other hand, in this screenshot: https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/weblate/2020-03-31-093415_747x699_scrot.p= ng The code is shown in LTR format. In this form, the tags are shown correctly, but the Persian text looks messy. If one is shown correctly, the other would look messy. They can't be shown correctly at the same time. This is a universal problem with RTL languages and is not specific to Weblate, which in that case, we could have simply do the translation somewhere else and commit them here when they're ready. The problem is that, even if we take the source code somewhere else like a desktop text editor, it will still suffer from the same problem (I'm yet to see a document/text editor that can handle it correctly). Sometimes it doesn't matter (as in most web pages which are usually generated automatically), sometimes it does matter, when people have to directly deal with the tags. > I've built these initial translations you made, without any > modification, see the results here: > https://dbaio.bs2cloud.com.br/doc/fa01/fa_FA.UTF-8/books/handbook/ Although this initial build is based on just some test sentences, it looks very promising. So, the compiled form seems to be already OK, the main problem is with the source code. > Does "translating tags" mean replacing the tag name of <foo> with > Parisian counterpart in RTL, or the whole tag including <> in RTL? I mean something like <=D9=84=DB=8C=D9=86=DA=A9>http://www.FreeBSD.org</=D9= =84=DB=8C=D9=86=DA=A9> instead of <link>http://www.FreeBSD.org</link>. This is the solution adopted by similar projects, such as the Persian Wikipedia and the xepersian package for LaTeX. I don't know if that's possible here, I guess it requires fundamental modifications to the docproj infrastructures. I could do the translation in the case those modifications to the infrastructures are not a concern. > Could you show a typical HTML file in UTF-8 Persian? I would like to > know what tags look like. Is this good enough? https://kouhi.org/sample.html On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:13 AM Danilo G. Baio <dbaio@freebsd.org> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 03:52:04AM +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > > "Danilo G. Baio" <dbaio@FreeBSD.org> wrote > > in <20200331170132.gyjlo7nel3cajidf@t480.local>: > > > > db> > Could you show a typical HTML file in UTF-8 Persian? I would li= ke to > > db> > know what tags look like. > > db> > > db> I would like to see some examples as well. > > db> > > db> Persian was already marked as RTL on Weblate. > > > > Yes, but it still needs direction attributes in the DocBook results > > even if editors and input fields on the web browsers support RTL in > > the user interface. We have options such as "RTL by default and > > marking up the LTR parts" and vice versa. And RTL and LTR in the > > same #PCDATA with no tag will not be rendered correctly. Probably we > > need to take care of them in the XSLTs after checking what "natural > > way" to write a marked-up document in HTML or XML is. > > > Thank you both for the explanations. > > So, this will be an interesting issue to fix, let's check some real > issues in our documents and the best way of fixing it. > > We will need your help Javad. > > Could I suggest starting with small documents, like > articles/leap-seconds or articles/ipsec-must ? > > > > > > db> I've built these initial translations you made, without any > > db> modification, see the results here: > > db> https://dbaio.bs2cloud.com.br/doc/fa01/fa_FA.UTF-8/books/handbook/ > > db> > > db> If this is good, I can go forward and add a Jenkins job to build it= regularly. > > > > The LANG_TERRITORY part must be fa_IR, not fa_FA. > > I'll fix that, thank you. > > -- > Danilo G. Baio (dbaio)
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