From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Mon Nov 11 20:16:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE1A1BD8E4; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:16:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (mailgate.leidinger.net [IPv6:2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47BhwB39xMz4cQT; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:16:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p5B1659D6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.22.89.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgate.Leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2AC2325E; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.Leidinger.net [IPv6:fd73:10c7:2053:1::3:102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FEE1A6AC; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:15:59 +0100 (CET) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.15.2/8.14.4/Submit) id xABKFxRX024524; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:15:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.leidinger.net: www set sender to Alexander@leidinger.net using -f Received: from [::ffff:192.168.1.28] ([::ffff:192.168.1.28]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde Framework) with HTTPS; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:15:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:15:59 +0100 Message-ID: <20191111211559.Horde.WORqkr_xMQfIqIWKvR_jExq@webmail.leidinger.net> From: Alexander Leidinger To: Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?b?TmFwaWVyYcWCYQ==?= Cc: Conrad Meyer , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r354458 - head/libexec/rc/rc.d References: <201911071815.xA7IFOhI070066@repo.freebsd.org> <20191109204958.Horde.B0ynnS_aur1OZimnDNObsAt@webmail.leidinger.net> <20191110160819.GA1095@brick> <20191110202504.GA1070@brick> In-Reply-To: <20191110202504.GA1070@brick> User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Accept-Language: de,en Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_CyBMCs-XY3xwmagdr6GcldL"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47BhwB39xMz4cQT X-Spamd-Bar: ------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[leidinger.net:s=outgoing-alex]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; XAW_SERVICE_ACCT(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[leidinger.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[leidinger.net,quarantine]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[214.89.22.91.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:2a00:1828::/32, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.72)[ip: (-9.81), ipnet: 2a00:1828::/32(-4.90), asn: 34240(-3.90), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:16:11 -0000 This message is in MIME format and has been PGP signed. --=_CyBMCs-XY3xwmagdr6GcldL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quoting Edward Tomasz Napiera=C5=82a (from Sun, 10 Nov= =20=20 2019=2020:25:04 +0000): > On 1110T1147, Conrad Meyer wrote: >> I am on board with making this stuff more =E2=80=9Cbatteries included=E2= =80=9D and usable >> by default, but just echoing the request for configurable knobs (I don= =E2=80=99t >> care about the defaults). > > My point is... well, there are two. First is, it's configurable already: > you can comment out parts of the rc script you don't want, or you can not We want to have the system rc scripts "no touch" scripts, don't we? > set linux_enable in the first place and do things it would otherwise do > for you by in the usual manner - add the modules to loader.conf, add a > line to sysctl.conf etc. The script simply provides a shortcut to match > what 90% of users want. I agree. > Second, in order to implement something properly, I need to understand > how it's going to be used. I guess I worded it quite badly in the > previous mail; it's wasn't supposed to sound like "Can you give me some > use case because I think you're wrong", but rather a "Can you give me > some use case, because without it I have no idea how to design it to > fit it". What about a config variable which enables or disables the mounts?=20=20 That=20way we don't have to modify the rc script to get back to the old=20= =20 behavior=20in cases were we need it. 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