From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 12 07:47:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4AD106566B for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D7E8FC0A for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F01A5F9A96; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:46:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:60b4:7eb8:ec61:a9c9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA8FD216C33; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658EF217412E; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:46:33 +1000 (EST) To: Chuck Swiger From: Mark Andrews References: <20120604110339.GA9426@equilibrium.bsdes.net> <4FD2D4CC.3080109@ateamsystems.com> <4FD35F67.4020007@hm.net.br> <4FD3629B.9060106@ateamsystems.com> <201206112335.q5BNZGPT029709@hugeraid.jetcafe.org> <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:59:47 MST." <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:46:32 +1000 Message-Id: <20120612074633.658EF217412E@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mx.ams1.isc.org Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Why Are You NOT Using FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:47:04 -0000 In message <7B6E5361-B109-498E-B22F-96A94DEC371B@mac.com>, Chuck Swiger writes: > Hi, Dave-- > > On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > [ ... ] > > Do I have this wrong? Anyone see a problem with this picture? > > What can we do to "just upgrade" in a safe fashion when we want to? > > Two things help tremendously: > > #1: Have working backups. If you run into a problem, roll back the > system to a working state. If you cannot restore a working system > easily, fix your backup solution until you can rollback easily. > > #2: Have a package-building box and test builds before installing > new package builds to other boxes. Your downtime for upgrades > to the rest of your boxes become minimized. Note: this doesn't require multiple physical systems to do. A jail / chroot area will give you a perfectly fine build / test system for ports. It just uses a bit of disk space. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org