From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 3 13: 2:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B7BD37B417 for ; Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 85285 invoked by uid 100); 3 Apr 2002 21:02:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15531.28137.58506.98565@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:02:33 -0600 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hold Harmless (was: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix) In-Reply-To: <3CAB69B8.2817604E@mindspring.com> References: <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <3CAAAA98.E9D7EBE6@mindspring.com> <3CAB69B8.2817604E@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.50 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <3CAB69B8.2817604E@mindspring.com>, Terry Lambert typed: > "Gary W. Swearingen" wrote: > > Terry Lambert writes: > > And if licenses ARE required for hold harmless protection, it should be > > noted that GOOD licenses are required, and probably ones which don't > > allow you to own the software copies or maybe to own them without first > > accepting the licenses. > This is already taken care of by the DMCA. It has a lot of > assinie provisions, but it includes legitimization of the > shrink-wrap license. That sounds like another one of the asinine provisions to me. Shrink-wrap licenses are what make monopolistic software companies - and the GPL - possible. Neither of these is a good thing, and I've as yet to encounter something else they make possible that even comes close to outweighing that bad. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message