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Date:      Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:20:57 -0800 (PST)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
To:        str@giganda.komkon.org (Igor Roshchin)
Cc:        freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Danger Ports
Message-ID:  <200011301820.KAA45049@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <200011301802.NAA27215@giganda.komkon.org> from Igor Roshchin at "Nov 30, 2000 01:02:44 pm"

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> > From: "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
> > Subject: Re: Danger Ports
> > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:43:57 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > Please do all the rest of us a favor and filter the
> > packets to reserved networks, not just from them.
> >  
> > > this is right out of the ACL for my core router..
> > > 
> > > ! reserved networks  
> > > access-list 110 deny   ip 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.255 any log
> > > access-list 110 deny   ip 10.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 any log
> > > access-list 110 deny   ip 172.16.0.0 0.15.255.255 any log
> > > access-list 110 deny   ip 172.31.0.0 0.0.255.255 any log
> > > access-list 110 deny   ip 192.168.0.0 0.0.255.255 any log
> >
> > access-list 110 deny   ip any 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.255 log
> > access-list 110 deny   ip any 10.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 log
> > access-list 110 deny   ip any 172.16.0.0 0.15.255.255 log
> > access-list 110 deny   ip any 172.31.0.0 0.0.255.255 log
> > access-list 110 deny   ip any 192.168.0.0 0.0.255.255 log
> >
> >
> 
> I am not sure if filtering some reserved networks would not stop legible
> traffic for some people. E.g. Home.net (@Home, @Work)
> is using 10.0.0.0 to number their aggregation routers. Thus its
> users will probably suffer if they block this network at the firewall.

No they won't suffer, reserved networks are reserved, blocking them
at AS boundaries is a BCP, both source and desitnation address.  It
does do some funny things to traceroute, but it doesn't effect normal
operations:
traceroute to 199.172.150.100 (199.172.150.100), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  12.127.217.157 (12.127.217.157)  9.037 ms  8.890 ms  8.914 ms
 2  gbr1-p20.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.123.194.130)  15.247 ms  15.217 ms  15.454 ms
 3  gbr3-p70.wswdc.ip.att.net (12.122.1.157)  16.046 ms  15.984 ms  16.376 ms
 4  gbr3-p80.sl9mo.ip.att.net (12.122.2.145)  31.230 ms  31.205 ms  31.215 ms
 5  gbr3-p20.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.2.74)  71.592 ms  71.609 ms  83.002 ms
 6  gbr1-p50.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.1.162)  73.615 ms  70.807 ms  70.809 ms
 7  ar4-a300s3.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.12.89)  72.431 ms  72.168 ms  72.241 ms
 8  12.126.204.18 (12.126.204.18)  72.468 ms  78.563 ms  74.011 ms
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  nblb1.dmz.home.net (199.172.150.100)  72.997 ms  72.785 ms  72.876 ms

Notice what happened to the 192.168.*.* addresses....

> Regards,
> 
> Igor
> 
> PS.
> Here is how a traceroute output  looks for a client of @Work:
>  1  local router ...
>  2  10.252.4.49 (10.252.4.49)  16.012 ms  12.834 ms  12.852 ms
>  3  10.252.6.1 (10.252.6.1)  11.823 ms  7.354 ms  4.556 ms
>  4  c1-pos6-0.hrfrct1.home.net (24.7.74.65)  3.496 ms  15.956 ms  2.303 ms
>  5  c1-pos6-0.nycmny1.home.net (24.7.69.2)  5.043 ms  7.764 ms  15.248 ms
>  6  c1-pos8-0.cmdnnj1.home.net (24.7.65.229)  15.514 ms  22.998 ms  9.477 ms
>  7  24.7.69.33 (24.7.69.33)  66.412 ms  66.057 ms  79.060 ms
>  8  24.7.76.81 (24.7.76.81)  77.324 ms  65.984 ms  77.516 ms
>  9  bb1-pos1-0.rwc1.sfba.home.net (24.7.74.118)  66.701 ms  78.673 ms  66.758 ms
> 10  bfr-ge0-0.excite.com (24.7.70.34)  67.170 ms  66.809 ms  77.240 ms
> 11  192.168.249.139 (192.168.249.139)  81.213 ms  68.489 ms  81.637 ms
> 12  192.168.251.4 (192.168.251.4)  67.023 ms  164.883 ms  173.432 ms
> 13  nblb1.dmz.home.net (199.172.150.100)  179.639 ms  178.223 ms  197.902 ms
> 
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